Hmm wont start/Run without starter button pressed

[bushboy]

Hi all,

1150R ADV after working well will now not start/run without starter button being held in. Do these die? before I pull it all apart thouoght would ask if anyone else had/seen this before?

Thinking left/right toggle kill switch stuffed. Only thing I can put it down to? also Bendix on way out? where is best for a replacement? OEM or go for an aftermarket one? Slippes sometimes when starting.

Any help/info would be great. Also anyone know where I can get a electronic formet Suzuki Ay50 wiring diagram? pdf? of fische? yep, getting a real bike now...LOL

Bushboy

 

[(RIP) Kaister]

will now not start/run without starter button being held in

they all do that sir ?

what do you mean really

 

[LandRover]

Have you made any modifications to the starter switch housing? Maybe you inadvertantly created a short?

If not in the housing, perhaps a frayed wire at the starter solinoid? Really sounds like a wiring gremlin to me.

Good luck .....

 

[ed4554]

What a 1150 ADV broken? Never! we are always been told it's the frail 1200 that brake down? Sorry can't help my 1200 runs great.

Ed

 

[Gecko]

What a 1150 ADV broken? Never! we are always been told it's the frail 1200 that brake down? Sorry can't help my 1200 runs great.

Ed

....perhaps you should ride it some now that you have tempted fate

 

[Spout]

Sounds like your doohickey has gone out of flunter. When was the last time you reconuberated your whatsitmajig?

Try a squirt of WD40

Thanks for the DIY wall kit BTW, going up a treat.

 

[Wizard]

Sounds like the ignition relay or associated wiring is fragged.

Oh, and I ride my flawless 1200 quite a lot Gecko. Maybe you should get a new drum?

 

[Tsiklonaut]

If it's bendix it should make awful sound.

You mean the starter does absolutely NO sound then?

If so then it's 99% probability it's the starter relay - take off the seat, and put your ear close to the fuse box and press the sater button fequently - you should hear small "click-click" sound there.

If so you need new relay - it doesn't give contact. Though i repaired mine myself - just needed one contact to be bent back slightly - it just was "exhausted" in time, so didn't gave any contact if the relay's magnetic poles "sucked" it on activating it leaved a gap between contacts - that's why it only makes that "click" sound while you press the start button.

Check the fuses also.

Margus

 

[GSAde]

What a 1150 ADV broken? Never! we are always been told it's the frail 1200 that brake down? Sorry can't help my 1200 runs great.

Ed

Ooh if it's like that your lucky your 1200 does "brake down" on some of 'em the brakes don't slow you down at all

Ade - yeah, of course I've got a GSA

 

[littleredrooster]

.....why do I get the feeling that everbody's off on the wrong track here.....?

If you mean that when you release the starter button, the bike then stops (?), it must be a wiring fault, but I can't figure out what it may be. The 1150 (and the 1100) does not have a Bendix arrangement - it is a pre-engaged starter motor, so that rules out a sticking Bendix (not that THAT would cause it). I am at a loss to explain the problem; I hope someone will be along shortly to give you a better diagnosis.

 

[bushboy]

Still no good

To all,

Thanks for your advice, re the 1200 points, if I rode a 1200 like I ride my 1150 ADV then it would have died a long time ago. Try winning your class in the Cambrian on a 1200? or doing some serious off road stuff on ya 1200, might do it, but all would not look the same when ya got it home. Still as long as what we ride, and how we ride it brings us joy then who gives a shit.

Back to my issue??/ Yes bike turns over ok, only sometimes it sounds like the starter is not engaging or is slipping so different issue. Re runing, it sort of fires ( Very rough ) only when pressing the starter button, once you resease it the bike stops running. Relay? dont think so as it clicks happy and motor turns over. Switches all feel good, WD 40 to ensure lubrication. Inside the switch gear there are sealed micro like switches and the bits we see on the outside are no more than extensions to push/operate these switch units.

No ideas really and just wanted to run it past the gtoup b4 I start to pull it all apart.

Still will see what I can find out today.

Thanks


Bushboy.

 

[Yoda]

I'd be inclined to suggest the fuel pump relay and/or associated circuit. Most fuel injection systems activate the fuel pump when the ignition goes on to charge up the system. After a second or so this cuts out and is then reactivated when the starter is pressed.

 

[Tarka]

The 'sort of runs but very rough' isn`t because of the infamous dislodged throttle cable trick we`ve all fallen foul of is it ??

 

[ed4554]

Must try a double maggot next time only got two bites with this one??

ED

 

[GSAde]

Must try a double maggot next time only got two bites with this one??

ED

Nah - just keep ridin' the maggot

Ade

 

[Frank Warner]

Back to my issue??/ Yes bike turns over ok, only sometimes it sounds like the starter is not engaging or is slipping so different issue. Re runing, it sort of fires ( Very rough ) only when pressing the starter button, once you resease it the bike stops running. Relay? dont think so as it clicks happy and motor turns over. Switches all feel good, WD 40 to ensure lubrication. Inside the switch gear there are sealed micro like switches and the bits we see on the outside are no more than extensions to push/operate these switch units.

On the K models when you press the starter button the mixture increases by about 10% to aid starting.
When the fuel filter blocks you can get teh bike to run by pressing teh starter button...

Check your fuel filter?

--- You'll need to provide more information - spark, fuel would be the two worth checking if the throttle cables are ok.

 

[Welshman]

On the K models when you press the starter button the mixture increases by about 10% to aid starting.
When the fuel filter blocks you can get teh bike to run by pressing teh starter button...

Check your fuel filter?

--- You'll need to provide more information - spark, fuel would be the two worth checking if the throttle cables are ok.

At last a logical reasonable answer, it had to come from below the Equator.

Welshman

"Welcome to my school for the masculine arts. Here you will learn to kill, copulate, and skin animals."

 

[John Armstrong]

At last a logical reasonable answer, it had to come from below the Equator.

Welshman

QUOTE]

Logical for a K, but the 1150 has a manual "choke" aka cold start lever.

Just a thought is that functioning correctly? Don't ask me how to do a check at the engine end though. Sorry.

 

[Frank Warner]

Logical for a K, but the 1150 has a manual "choke" aka cold start lever.

And an 1150. The old Ks have the same 'choke' lever! All it does is increase the idle speed! You should see a very small movement of the throttle plate as you operate the 'choke'. Won't make a blind bit of difference to the mixture. No connection to the EFI at all.

Good Luck