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Hello GSER's - just got back from the Intermot show in Cologne and all I can say is you won't be disappointed. The new GS is everything we have been hoping for and more - 125bhp, sharper styling, fantastic features and options and even a screen you can adjust on the move. Obviously I am biased, but it genuinely makes the Triumph and Ducati alternatives look second best. No word on prices yet but deliveries start in March and my advice would be to get in early if you want to have one for spring as most dealers already have deposits.
 
North Oxford BMW said:
Hello GSER's - just got back from the Intermot show in Cologne and all I can say is you won't be disappointed. The new GS is everything we have been hoping for and more - 125bhp, sharper styling, fantastic features and options and even a screen you can adjust on the move. Obviously I am biased, but it genuinely makes the Triumph and Ducati alternatives look second best. No word on prices yet but deliveries start in March and my advice would be to get in early if you want to have one for spring as most dealers already have deposits.
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More importanly Phil, when are they bringing out the GSA version?
 
North Oxford BMW said:
Hello GSER's - just got back from the Intermot show in Cologne and all I can say is you won't be disappointed. The new GS is everything we have been hoping for and more - 125bhp, sharper styling, fantastic features and options and even a screen you can adjust on the move. Obviously I am biased, but it genuinely makes the Triumph and Ducati alternatives look second best. No word on prices yet but deliveries start in March and my advice would be to get in early if you want to have one for spring as most dealers already have deposits.
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I agree - Triumph must be seriously worried, BUT, BUT, BUT, BMW cannot afford to mess up by having reliability issues otherwise their credibility will fall through the floor and then Triumph will have the last laugh.
 
North Oxford BMW said:
Hello GSER's - just got back from the Intermot show in Cologne and all I can say is you won't be disappointed. The new GS is everything we have been hoping for and more - 125bhp, sharper styling, fantastic features and options and even a screen you can adjust on the move. Obviously I am biased, but it genuinely makes the Triumph and Ducati alternatives look second best. No word on prices yet but deliveries start in March and my advice would be to get in early if you want to have one for spring as most dealers already have deposits.
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You haven't ridden it yet

It's reliability is also unproven

:rolleyes:
 
Engineer said:
I agree - Triumph must be seriously worried, BUT, BUT, BUT, BMW cannot afford to mess up by having reliability issues otherwise their credibility will fall through the floor and then Triumph will have the last laugh.
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Can the reliability issues get any worse , iv'e stuck with my 1150 due to listening to friends serious problems ...... :eek
 
Sir James said:
Can the reliability issues get any worse , iv'e stuck with my 1150 due to listening to friends serious problems ...... :eek
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I have had no reliability issues with my 2010 1200GS - and nothing serious with my previous 2005GS, plenty of people have had issues with the 1150 and bearing in mind it only sold a fraction of the numbers of the 1200 the 1200 was at least as reliable, maybe more so than the 1150.

My point is that BMW absolutely must make sure that there are no serious issues with this new model, the competition will use any excuse to fault it because they must now be running scared.

Triumph have just bought out the new Trophy, which they hope will be an RT beater, but my guess is that this new engine, electronics and suspension will soon be in the RT and then Trophy will be leapfrogged just like the Explorer has been.
 
I had lots of problems with a 1200 trophy in 03 and triumph did not want to know jjh
 
I am just back back from the Intermot show this evening and, as you can guess, being a German show nearly every accessory at the show was to do with BMW :D

The new 'steamer' did not look too bad and there were plenty of people crawling all over it, not least of which were all the Chinese visitors who were all clicking away with cameras on every stand I looked on. Watch this space because in the next 10 years we will all be riding chinese adventure bikes, they just need to get their marketing guys to come up with some decent names for their bikes :D

Have to say there were some cracking bikes there, most of them all the old ones! There was even a Munch Mammoth! lovely
 
Nice 'n' Fat said:
More importanly Phil, when are they bringing out the GSA version?
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We haven't been told when the GSA version will be launched but if it follows BMW's normal launch strategies it should be about 12 months after the GS together with probably a new RT with the water cooled engine.
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
Sadly borne from experience of others:D

You and I know which Boxer GS is the best one to have, don't we.........after that the G650 is the best kept secret;)
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With a reported figure of over 170,000 units sold (R1200GS), even if you knew personally 85,000 (50%) of these people and 10% of them (8,500) told you they had reliability issues, this would not make the R1200GS unreliable.

Personally I would doubt you either know, or have spoken with or even read 1% (170 owners) of those 170,000 bikes sold to realistically be able to form an outright and conclusive opinion that the R1200GS is unreliable.

This forum has the opinions and verdicts equivalent of a small quantity of the fish , amongst the many other fish in an aquarium in ratio to that of the fish in the ocean.:beerjug:

If a manufacturer released a limited edition XXZY vehicle of say, 500 units, and 5 (1%) of those units came to a halt on the hard shoulder in say, 8yrs of service, would this make the highly desirable XXZY an unreliable vehicle?
 
North Oxford BMW said:
We haven't been told when the GSA version will be launched but if it follows BMW's normal launch strategies it should be about 12 months after the GS, that way all the twats with more money than sense that bought the GS as it was the new must have will trade them back in loosing a couple of thousand to have a bigger petrol tank. A year later they'll do the same to get a 'special' paint job.
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JayC said:
With a reported figure of over 170,000 units sold (R1200GS), even if you knew personally 85,000 (50%) of these people and 10% of them (8,500) told you they had reliability issues, this would not make the R1200GS unreliable.

Personally I would doubt you either know, or have spoken with or even read 1% (170 owners) of those 170,000 bikes sold to realistically be able to form an outright and conclusive opinion that the R1200GS is unreliable.

This forum has the opinions and verdicts equivalent of a small quantity of the fish , amongst the many other fish in an aquarium in ratio to that of the fish in the ocean.:beerjug:

If a manufacturer released a limited edition XXZY vehicle of say, 500 units, and 5 (1%) of those units came to a halt on the hard shoulder in say, 8yrs of service, would this make the highly desirable XXZY an unreliable vehicle?
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Of course you may be right, certainly are......................however the people I have taken opinion from is the ones who spanner them daily - who should be in the know to a degree I guess

Scientifically or statistically it may not be accurate, but it'll do for me

If you're happy, keep paying for your latest 12GS & its warranty - whatever makes you happy:thumb

Me - i'm happy to run an older bike(s) in my garage than have all my eggs in one basket
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
Of course you may be right, certainly are......................however the people I have taken opinion from is the ones who spanner them daily - who should be in the know to a degree I guess

Scientifically or statistically it may not be accurate, but it'll do for me

If you're happy, keep paying for your latest 12GS & its warranty - whatever makes you happy:thumb

Me - i'm happy to run an older bike(s) in my garage than have all my eggs in one basket
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That will be perhaps be nearer .1% of owners then (note the decimal point) :thumb

I totally agree with you about having an older bike, and one day my 1200 will be old! :jager
 
I love it when a dealer comes out with:

"but deliveries start in March and my advice would be to get in early if you want to have one for spring as most dealers already have deposits"

If the deposits are that numerous - then he needn't make that statement.

It merely translates to: "We'd like to have your deposits in our bank as soon as possible"


Al :rolleyes:
 
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