How to start route , but not from start on Nav 5

[RedRick Esq.]

Dont bank on Basecamp fixing the problem if you reverse engineer the problem. It may be able to do that but will probably have the same issues as the unit (wapping may know better)

If you have the way points on the device as favourites you may be able to load those into basecamp then create a route and then upload back to your nav but make sure you have the setting right in basecamp ( file, transfer option and strip way points )

 

[Tomcat]

I don't think your problem is as bad as you think, but you should stop using Tyre and learn Basecamp to create routes for the Nav V. Here's my suggestion;

1. Important! Set the avoidances and route preferences in the Basecamp Motorcycle profile and on your Nav V to be the same. Use 'faster', turn off all avoidances except unpaved roads. Make sure that you have the same maps loaded on your PC and on your Nav V, or connect the Nav V to the PC and let Basecamp read the maps off the Nav V (this will probably be slow).

2. In Basecamp, R-click 'My collection' and create a folder with the name of your trip. Leave the folder highlighted.

3. Go to File, Import into <your folder name>, and locate the GPX files that you created in Tyre. Let them import, and each file will appear in the folder.

4. Click on a list item, and in the panel beneath you will see the waypoints and routes in the imported file. You can filter what you see to view only routes for example. Open a route by double click, or R-click, Open. With the route open, recalculate it.

5. Add more shaping points if needed (see elsewhere on how to do this - my preference is by using the hand tool to move around on the map. Hold down the Alt key, move the hand icon over the route and hold down the L mouse button. You get the rubber band line - with L mouse held down drag it to the road you want and let go).

6. With the route properties open, change any unnecessary waypoints to shaping points by R-click on the point in the list, 'Don't alert on arrival'.

7. Transfer the recalculated routes to the Nav V using Basecamp. It should all work fine - it does on my Nav V when I use Basecamp.

BTW, the 660 uses shaping points just as the Nav V does - in fact I think all Garmins going back through the Zumo range to the 2610 have the ability to use shaping points. What has changed is that Tyre now has its own version of shaping points, whereas earlier Tyre versions only used waypoints to create routes. You'll save yourself a whole heap of hassle if you stop using Tyre and switch to Basecamp.

HTH

 

[Wapping]

Good advice from Tomcat, especially about learning to use BaseCamp.

 

[chrisjk]

Whenever you load a route onto the Nav V, also load a track (of the same itinerary). Set the track to display (choose black for the line colour as it shows up best and you can see it under the magenta of the route lines) then whenever you want to join a route, you can navigate manually to the track without worrying what the waypoints are called- or tell the unit to navigate with turn by turn instructions, to a way point you place on it at the time.

If the device wants to take you back, then just use the skip function to skip waypoints you have passed.

 

[Hamslay]

Thank you chaps. You're all stars!

I've spent some time on Basecamp and it's making more sense....

And I've got a solution for my problem with the impending tour. If I get Tyre to export just the route, no track or waypoint, I can open the GPX in Basecamp. At this point, it'll show straight lines between all the points. I then double-click the route and Recalculate and it sorts the route and maps it to the roads. I thought it was getting this wrong on complex routes, but as Tomcat points out, the Motorcycling activity profile by default was avoiding all sorts of roads. Once I set that more sensibly, the routes in Basecamp pretty much match up to the routes in Tyre both in distance and time. The last step in Basecamp is then to edit the waypoints and convert them to shaping points. Then I'm done!

So I think I have a solution for my immediate problem, but I think you guys are also correct that it makes more sense to use Basecamp going forward.

One last question. If each route has a custom profile based on Motorcycling, so different days can use motorways or not, does the Nav V automatically switch to avoid motorways etc. when I start each route, or do I still need to change my preferences manually each day?

Thanks again!

 

[Tomcat]

Thank you chaps. You're all stars!

One last question. If each route has a custom profile based on Motorcycling, so different days can use motorways or not, does the Nav V automatically switch to avoid motorways etc. when I start each route, or do I still need to change my preferences manually each day?

Thanks again!

I'm fairly certain that the Zumo models are not able to use information from Basecamp about 'custom profiles'. So if you were to create a custom profile (or route preferences) for each route it will affect how Basecamp plots the route but it (probably) has no effect on the route once it is imported into the Garmin. As you know, the GPX file is a series of locations and the satnav calculates the route afresh using these locations. I don't think the GPS knows what route preferences were used in Basecamp.

So, theorizing aside, the simplest reliable way of getting the satnav to use the same route that you plotted in Basecamp is to choose 'fastest', and turn off all or most avoidances. If you now plot a route direct from start waypoint to end waypoint Basecamp will use motorways, main roads etc. Drag n drop the route onto the roads you want, and you will probably find you only need a handful of well chosen shaping points to transform the route. If there a long distances between shaping points I sometimes place a few extra to nail the route firmly onto my chosen roads. You should find then that the route as it appears on the satnav will be virtually identical to the one you plotted on the PC. So I suggest you don't change your profile/preferences when plotting routes, stick to 'fastest, no avoidances'.

Back to theorizing again and I've noticed in the route properties displayed in Basecamp (place a check in the 'more info' box) that in the summary box it shows 'Points', 'Via points' 'Distance' etc. The 'Points' parameter is a new one to me, and is typically much greater (about 10x) than the number of Via Points. I wonder if Basecamp is in fact adding additional unseen points to pin down the route when it is transferred and that the location of these points is determined by the profile/route preference settings that are in force when the route is calculated by Basecamp. Does anyone here know if this is the case? It would be neat if this is how it works as it would mean that my advice in the previous paragraph is unnecessary bollocks... (although it still works in practice )

 

[Wapping]

So, theorizing aside, the simplest reliable way of getting the satnav to use the same route that you plotted in Basecamp is to choose 'fastest', and turn off all or most avoidances. If you now plot a route direct from start waypoint to end waypoint Basecamp will use motorways, main roads etc. Drag n drop the route onto the roads you want, and you will probably find you only need a handful of well chosen shaping points to transform the route. If there a long distances between shaping points I sometimes place a few extra to nail the route firmly onto my chosen roads. You should find then that the route as it appears on the satnav will be virtually identical to the one you plotted on the PC. So I suggest you don't change your profile/preferences when plotting routes, stick to 'fastest, no avoidances'.

Spot on.

I have turned OFF all the Garmin routing tools on my computer and on my two Nav V's. In short it will only ever route I have asked it to take, not roads that some bizarre software engineeer in Taiwan thinks I should use. This is what happens next:

A route is created by me in BaseCamp and then sent to another fellow, who loads it into his Nav V.

If the other fellow's Nav V is set to say 'Winding Roads' it WILL alter the route. What it will do is still pass him through all my shaping points and waypoints but - inbetween each point - it will take the other fellow off the route and down any 'Winding roads' - no matter how stupid - it can find inbetween. For instance, if I am heading on ringroad around a village in a smooth D road loop, it will route the other fellow through the village.... as the roads are 'Winding'.

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There is nothing wrong with 'Preferences' or 'Routing Options' but they do cause lots of bods problems, usually because they either keep changing them (and forgetting) or they don't understand how they work in the first place. In a perfect world, I would persuade Garmin to drop the lot, along with music, pictures, splash screens, 'My bike', telehones and all the other crap they've loaded onto their otherwise fantastic devices... because bikers have demanded it.... many of whom then spend hours moaning becuase they can't get their music to play or their wife can't hear them when they call from Tesco.