HP2 Sport

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Your up against the big four so unless the bike your gonna make has 170bhp it aint gonna sell much. An R1 out the box will leave em standing and wondering why they spent all that lolly. Tis a shame because BMW could do a litre bike to be a contender,look at the mighty KS1200,a dream of a bike. Sometimes you think their just playing at it,dont you?
For that sought of money i`ll have an Agusta F4 ta very much, or a nice 1200GSA with 3 Rolls Royce`s for a top box and panniers.

:rolleyes:The engineering schools PR management should pay more attention on educating motorcycling people about engines IMHO. :D

DON'T compare a twin with a four cylinder, in terms of BHP. Twins with massive pistons and conrods can't rotate that fast as four cylinders with smaller pistons. See WSB 2008 regulations for physical evidence.

Twins never can compete with fours in top end BHP per similar capacity basis. But who needs top end bhp in real life??? Yeah, it's a good thing to have on a sunday race track with loooooong straights - but then you're another tosser who can't ride in the curves coz proper racers will ride past your fancy 180bhp GSXR1000 K7 with an ancient 1980s air-cooled 50bhp boxer twin like you're standing still in the sharp curves :rolleyes:. It's about the rider! 99.999% of the riders couldn't ride that bike to the limit on the race track, probably only some 0.001% of the riders (the real racers) would do few seconds better lap times with a more powerful BHP race bike riding both to the limit.

Twins give much better everyday riding pleasure, a relaxed ride IMHO. They rotate "lazy" (compared to fours) but LOADS of torque straight out of idle you can feel with your bottom end. You don't have to rev it high to get it moving. Most of twins I've tried are overall much friendlier power delivery and more fun to ride, with character compared to overly "square" (=characterless) and gutless on low revs I4s, no matter what bike, a tourer or sports. Twins are becoming more like a practical machines with "fun-factor" (I mean character under this) in them while I4s are becoming more fancy BHP-written-on-the-paper showoff bikes that have revs up to the Moon as time goes on. You rarely need more than 100bhp in the everyday traffic and speed limits, but you need all the pulling torque the bike can give you, the lower rpms the better, and that's where the twins shine IMHO. Real life engines, that can keep up with I4s on sunday's race track too if you're a man enough to ride it imho.

From the specs side compare HP2 Sport with Suzuki TL1000R, or with Aprilia RSV Mille Factory, etc.

178kg BMW HP2 Sport: 130bhp / 115Nm (@ 6000rpm)
185kg Aprilia RSV Factory: 143bhp / 101Nm (@ 8000rpm)
197kg Suzuki TL1000R: 135bhp / 105Nm (@ 7500rpm)

Which isn't bad considering it's a BMW.

And from the image+character+overall looks side there's basically no other bike to compare it with. There's no other sports oriented bike in the market having a boxer twin, paralever shaft drive and telelever front. BMW has found that particular black hole in the market and made a niche bike. I reckon it'd not be sold much in numbers, it's expensive, it's a BMW, very different by technologies and design etc, but some fanatics definately get an orgasm seeing and riding it IMHO.

Anyways my point is, if I had the spare tosh for it, I'd just buy one today, just because it is so different from others :thumb2
 
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DON'T compare a twin with a four cylinder, in terms of BHP. Twins with massive pistons and conrods can't rotate that fast as four cylinders with smaller pistons. See WSB 2008 regulations for physical evidence.

Twins never can compete with fours in top end BHP per similar capacity basis. But who needs top end bhp in real life??? Yeah, it's a good thing to have on a sunday race track with loooooong straights - but then you're another tosser who can't ride in the curves coz proper racers will ride past your fancy 180bhp GSXR1000 K7 with an ancient 1980s air-cooled 50bhp boxer twin like you're standing still in the sharp curves :rolleyes:. It's about the rider! 99.999% of the riders couldn't ride that bike to the limit on the race track, probably only some 0.001% of the riders (the real racers) would do few seconds better lap times with a more powerful BHP race bike riding both to the limit.

Twins give much better everyday riding pleasure, a relaxed ride IMHO. They rotate "lazy" (compared to fours) but LOADS of torque straight out of idle you can feel with your bottom end. You don't have to rev it high to get it moving. Most of twins I've tried are overall much friendlier power delivery and more fun to ride, with character compared to overly "square" (=characterless) and gutless on low revs I4s, no matter what bike, a tourer or sports. Twins are becoming more like a practical machines with "fun-factor" (I mean character under this) in them while I4s are becoming more fancy BHP-written-on-the-paper showoff bikes that have revs up to the Moon as time goes on. You rarely need more than 100bhp in the everyday traffic and speed limits, but you need all the pulling torque the bike can give you, the lower rpms the better, and that's where the twins shine IMHO. Real life engines, that can keep up with I4s on sunday's race track too if you're a man enough to ride it imho.

From the specs side compare HP2 Sport with Suzuki TL1000R, or with Aprilia RSV Mille Factory, etc.

178kg BMW HP2 Sport: 130bhp / 115Nm (@ 6000rpm)
185kg Aprilia RSV Factory: 143bhp / 101Nm (@ 8000rpm)
197kg Suzuki TL1000R: 135bhp / 105Nm (@ 7500rpm)

Which isn't bad considering it's a BMW.

And from the image+character+overall looks side there's basically no other bike to compare it with. There's no other sports oriented bike in the market having a boxer twin, paralever shaft drive and telelever front. BMW has found that particular black hole in the market and made a niche bike. I reckon it'd not be sold much in numbers, it's expensive, it's a BMW, very different by technologies and design etc, but some fanatics definately get an orgasm seeing and riding it IMHO.

Anyways my point is, if I had the spare tosh for it, I'd just buy one today, just because it is so different from others :thumb2


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Thanks you saved me from doing all the typing.
 
Is this really DOHC? The rocker covers do not look like they hold a couple of cams and the spec just says:

Air/oil-cooled 2-cylinder 4-stroke flat twin ('Boxer'), two camshafts, four valves per cylinder in radial arrangement, central balancer shaft.

That sounds like a normal boxer hexhead - in fact it has a balance shaft and I thought the original HP2 got rid of it to save weight?
 
:rolleyes:The engineering schools PR management should pay more attention on educating motorcycling people about engines IMHO. :D

DON'T compare a twin with a four cylinder, in terms of BHP. Twins with massive pistons and conrods can't rotate that fast as four cylinders with smaller pistons. See WSB 2008 regulations for physical evidence.

Twins never can compete with fours in top end BHP per similar capacity basis. But who needs top end bhp in real life??? Yeah, it's a good thing to have on a sunday race track with loooooong straights - but then you're another tosser who can't ride in the curves coz proper racers will ride past your fancy 180bhp GSXR1000 K7 with an ancient 1980s air-cooled 50bhp boxer twin like you're standing still in the sharp curves :rolleyes:. It's about the rider! 99.999% of the riders couldn't ride that bike to the limit on the race track, probably only some 0.001% of the riders (the real racers) would do few seconds better lap times with a more powerful BHP race bike riding both to the limit.

Twins give much better everyday riding pleasure, a relaxed ride IMHO. They rotate "lazy" (compared to fours) but LOADS of torque straight out of idle you can feel with your bottom end. You don't have to rev it high to get it moving. Most of twins I've tried are overall much friendlier power delivery and more fun to ride, with character compared to overly "square" (=characterless) and gutless on low revs I4s, no matter what bike, a tourer or sports. Twins are becoming more like a practical machines with "fun-factor" (I mean character under this) in them while I4s are becoming more fancy BHP-written-on-the-paper showoff bikes that have revs up to the Moon as time goes on. You rarely need more than 100bhp in the everyday traffic and speed limits, but you need all the pulling torque the bike can give you, the lower rpms the better, and that's where the twins shine IMHO. Real life engines, that can keep up with I4s on sunday's race track too if you're a man enough to ride it imho.

From the specs side compare HP2 Sport with Suzuki TL1000R, or with Aprilia RSV Mille Factory, etc.

178kg BMW HP2 Sport: 130bhp / 115Nm (@ 6000rpm)
185kg Aprilia RSV Factory: 143bhp / 101Nm (@ 8000rpm)
197kg Suzuki TL1000R: 135bhp / 105Nm (@ 7500rpm)

Which isn't bad considering it's a BMW.

And from the image+character+overall looks side there's basically no other bike to compare it with. There's no other sports oriented bike in the market having a boxer twin, paralever shaft drive and telelever front. BMW has found that particular black hole in the market and made a niche bike. I reckon it'd not be sold much in numbers, it's expensive, it's a BMW, very different by technologies and design etc, but some fanatics definately get an orgasm seeing and riding it IMHO.

Anyways my point is, if I had the spare tosh for it, I'd just buy one today, just because it is so different from others :thumb2

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:agree :likeit

I’ve had my name down on one of these, even before it was officially announced.

And today I’ve finally had my order confirmed by my local dealer. So I should have one of the first HP2 Sports in the south west.

So its goodbye to my 180bhp ZX-10R and hello to the 130bhp HP2 Sport next spring.

I’m gunna keep my GS as well though because she’s my daily hack and tourer.

And before anyone says that I must have more money than sense. I cant afford the HP2, but its so unique that I’ve just got to have it. Even at £15k


:clap :clap
 
A vid from the launch.Looks good !!!


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A vid from the launch.Looks good !!!


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Looks good indeed. I'm surprised he said it's worth its high price in the end (for a typical MCN writing tosser that is, who normally ride with Gixxers et al! :D)

Any of you with MCN subscription can do a pic or scan of the HP2 Sport article the MCN review that should come out tomorrow 's (12 december) issue?

Just curious :)
 
Looks good indeed. I'm surprised he said it's worth its high price in the end (for a typical MCN writing tosser that is, who normally ride with Gixxers et al! :D)

Any of you with MCN subscription can do a pic or scan of the HP2 Sport article the MCN review that should come out tomorrow 's (12 december) issue?

Just curious :)

Here you are :

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P28 is very good.

Glad I could help.
 
I have to quote the article "Find it hard to believe that BMW could make a thoroughbred sportsbike out of an engine and chassis design we all thought was best suited to tourers and sport-tourers? So did we. But we should all stand corrected. "

Was the same when my mate told me he saw a BMW in the showroom window that looked "real good". I promptly told him, "cant be any good its a bmw, theyre shit, old codger type bikes, give me a pipe before I ride one of those". Actually, I hadnt seen the hp2 (enduro) so I wandered on down the showroom to see what the fuss was about. I got a test ride (in london) and came back to the showroom saying I want this bike.

I may have to ride the sport, Im scared to ride it, well actually Im not, but my wallet is.:eek:
 


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