Yes please.
The post subject says: "Hyperpro-Steering-Damper-Rip-Off-or-Not" . I honestly don't see the correlation between a steering damper and a brake caliper.
Hyperpro Steering Damper - Rip Off or Not
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Yes please.
The post subject says: "Hyperpro-Steering-Damper-Rip-Off-or-Not" . I honestly don't see the correlation between a steering damper and a brake caliper.
I think what they're trying to say is, if you cut costs you get crap products.
If I cut costs by buying a Chinese Hyperpro steering damper, I will get something that looks the same but will quickly fail.
If BMW cut costs by buying a Hayes caliper, owners will get something that looks the same but, as proven, will quickly fail.
The sad part with the latter example, is new R1250 owners have paid more for crap products.... not paid less.
Like I've said before... you wait till these electronic Shift Cam Actuators start failing.....
Do you think they will?
Yes I do.
If you want to see the future, look at the past.
BMW spoked wheels - fail
BMW front forks - fail
BMW ESA shocks - fail
BMW Shaft Drives - fail
BMW Switchgear - fail
BMW Paintwork - fail
Now the two new big changes...
BMW Hayes Calipers - fail
BMW Shift Cam Actuators -
So good luck with that one 
I'm with you on the challenge of keeping quality up while keeping the cost down.
However, do we know that the Hays calipers are inferior to the Brembos? Driving the bike, the stopping ability for sure has not been reduced, and the 1250 costs the same as the 1200.
We have reports of seepage of brakefluid, but we don't know the cause of it. The BMW calipers seems to be the x-32 calipers from Hays with the BMW logo on it. Do we know there is a problem with the X-32's? What we also do know is that Hays have not stolen the design form someone else, they have done their own development.
The bike still have Brembos on the rear. What if the choice was made in order to get better brakes? When driving the bike, the brakes for sure do not feel inferior to the Brembos, but rather the opposite.
I may some day claim that the Hays are inferior to the Brembos, but then the conclusion will be based on facts, not some guess work taken out of the blue. As for now, we have a picture of a droplet (not Niagara falls), and the issue for sure is not acceptable. But that's all we know…
I see this debate as debating if clones are as good as the original product from which the design have been copied (stolen?).
I struggle to see the relevance to an issue with a product that is not copied nor produced in the far east.
Yes but.....
Ohlins on showroom bikes are not always the Ohlins you would buy direct from Ohlins.
They might have licenced the name, but not to the same standard or design.
It appears Hayes wont even put their name on these new calipers. God knows what changes were made?
In my experience with brakes, the expensive design stuff is hidden....
- Ability to cope with heat
- Ability to cope with environmental conditions
- Ability to cope with stresses
IF BMW lowered the design expectations, to meet their marketing customer demographics... you could have a really nasty copy.
Ohlins on showroom bikes are not always the Ohlins you would buy direct from Ohlins.
They might have licenced the name, but not to the same standard or design.
It appears Hayes wont even put their name on these new calipers. God knows what changes were made?
In my experience with brakes, the expensive design stuff is hidden....
- Ability to cope with heat
- Ability to cope with environmental conditions
- Ability to cope with stresses
IF BMW lowered the design expectations, to meet their marketing customer demographics... you could have a really nasty copy.
Maybe Brembo wouldn't lower their standards and Hayes didn't have a rear caliper suitable
Purely speculation
About 10 years ago I bought a brake kit for my sports car.
They were 365mm AP Racing Touring Car specification. Bloody brilliant brakes, really excellent. But not cheap.
My mate, convinced I was just paying for the name, bought another brand (cant remember the name) but wasn't cheap either, still half the price of my AP Racing.
He banged on about the paperwork stats and specs being just the same, if not better....
Mine lasted FIVE YEARS with no issues at all.
His lasted 3 months before his discs warped.... then his caliper pistons were binding....
They were 365mm AP Racing Touring Car specification. Bloody brilliant brakes, really excellent. But not cheap.
My mate, convinced I was just paying for the name, bought another brand (cant remember the name) but wasn't cheap either, still half the price of my AP Racing.
He banged on about the paperwork stats and specs being just the same, if not better....
Mine lasted FIVE YEARS with no issues at all.
His lasted 3 months before his discs warped.... then his caliper pistons were binding....
Quality brakes are a science and must not be held back by accountants.
you're saying the Hyper cost is more due to development costs... just pointig out where developed parts can also let you down
you're saying the Hyper cost is more due to development costs... just pointig out where developed parts can also let you down
And you know what caused the droplets to show, and know that the product have "let you down" ? or is it just a "glass half empty" attitude that is the source of such a statement?
Why the fuck would anybody by cheap shite when it could kill em?
Some people really should be sectioned
https://auto.ndtv.com/news/ktm-ag-enters-into-a-joint-venture-with-cfmoto-in-china-1769371Including Airbus & Boeing who have parts made there.
wow.. are you saying thats deliberate.. like a self bleed thing... I'm sure they should not lose fluid... yes, I'd put money on it being a fault
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