I broke my New R1200GS!

[Arsey]

@skid06 - that is what I run on my 17 GSA.Ohlins TTX with a 170 nm rear spring.
Good shocks but the yellow fault triangle is always on.But compared to the ESA-Sachs I think a slight improvement but not a 2K improvement...I think BMW should collaborate with Ohlins and give us ESA-Ohlins as a factory option where you can set the spring-rate for your weight

Not an issue with quality bikes fitted with WP suspension

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Should have waited for the 1250, better yet 1290 is an even better number

 

[CPJS]

Nobody yet makes a latest generation ESA replacement shock, I have been looking. If anyone knows different,let me know.

 

[Boxerlust]

@spoonz - I agree. Ohlins is not Ohlins.The stuff they put on oem is not good at all.The Ohlins on the R1200S didn't feel like real Ohlins...but even the TTX don't feel 2 grand better than the stock Sachs-ESA stuff which is really not that bad.And having the yellow triangle always on can be a nuisance...

 

[JJH]

This has come up a few times about shocks beeing seald/unrebuildable. There is no such thing. I remember in 1980 my then boss response to my saying so on a steering rack on a fiat 127. “It didn’t fucking grow there”. I’ve found Firefox to be able to rebuild shocks that others say can’t be done. It just means that they haven’t got the equipment to do the job. JJH

 

[MondoRich]

Nobody yet makes a latest generation ESA replacement shock, I have been looking. If anyone knows different,let me know.

Firefox racing do full repairs and enhancements

 

[spoonz]

I'm sure I read that Firefox cannot source spares for the Esa shocks so can only service them if they have no physical damage (eg motor failure). Best place seems to be Tractive who as I understand were joint developers of the ESA system and do a lot of the development for WP/KTM as well. https://www.esarepair.com/

 

[Tractors are go]

Agree. I had a few Aprilias too. My 2001 RSV never blew front seals which is more than I can say for the 2004 RSVR with ohlins forks. To be fair, it was the design of the seal that was the real issue. I changed mine for the twin lipped version used on the R1 and never had any further issues. The Ohlins rear shock I found a country mile better than the standard Showa though, which, if pushed hard (lets say on a second run round the mountain at the IoM LoL) overheated and the damping just became all soggy and errr....interesting, especially when cranked over at 140+ mph!

My sp ate them like they were going out of fashion, after chat at BSB round with k tech, they fitted their own seals and I never had a problem since. All my Ducati were also done, no problems.

I had showa rather wp shocks on gsa, K tech view, easier to rebuild/service and better quality. wp was just a posh sticker on an average shock.

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[Rushy]

This has come up a few times about shocks beeing seald/unrebuildable. There is no such thing. I remember in 1980 my then boss response to my saying so on a steering rack on a fiat 127. “It didn’t fucking grow there”. I’ve found Firefox to be able to rebuild shocks that others say can’t be done. It just means that they haven’t got the equipment to do the job. JJH

It’s sometimes because the manufacturer doesn’t make the spare parts available to rebuild certain components. Some Brembo cslipers cant be completely overhauled as they don’t offer a kit to do it.

 

[JJH]

I’m talking about shocks that arnt easy to take apart. Some rebuilders don’t tuch the units that can’t be screwed apart. Others happily work their magic and turn such units into readily rebuildable items. JJH

 

[CPJS]

Firefox racing do full repairs and enhancements

I don't want to alter the existing shock as that could affect warranty/resale.

 

[iandavid]

FFS. For whatever reason the shock failed. The dealer is sorting it out under warranty without question. That’s what BMW dealers do best.

Out of the woodwork come all these fuckin experts with Ducati’s, KTMs etc that never ever have the odd rogue problem.

And before you lot start I am not a BMW fanatic, I have a GS but also 3 triumphs aged 1967 - 2018

 

[dave hendy]

FFS. For whatever reason the shock failed. The dealer is sorting it out under warranty without question. That’s what BMW dealers do best.

Out of the woodwork come all these fuckin experts with Ducati’s, KTMs etc that never ever have the odd rogue problem.

And before you lot start I am not a BMW fanatic, I have a GS but also 3 triumphs aged 1967 - 2018

case closed


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[Troppo]

FFS. For whatever reason the shock failed. The dealer is sorting it out under warranty without question. That’s what BMW dealers do best.

Out of the woodwork come all these fuckin experts with Ducati’s, KTMs etc that never ever have the odd rogue problem.

And before you lot start I am not a BMW fanatic, I have a GS but also 3 triumphs aged 1967 - 2018

How dare you post up something rational!

1 shock has failed, ergo all BMW shocks are shit.

As you were, carry on.

 

[iandavid]

How dare you post up something rational!

1 shock has failed, ergo all BMW shocks are shit.

As you were, carry on.

You are correct, sorry. Rational posts have no place on the forum. Must try harder.

 

[the woodster]

FFS. For whatever reason the shock failed. The dealer is sorting it out under warranty without question. That’s what BMW dealers do best.

Out of the woodwork come all these fuckin experts with Ducati’s, KTMs etc that never ever have the odd rogue problem.

And before you lot start I am not a BMW fanatic, I have a GS but also 3 triumphs aged 1967 - 2018

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! only BMWs fail, no other top of the range adventure bike manufacturers have issues.

 

[Rushy]

FFS. For whatever reason the shock failed. The dealer is sorting it out under warranty without question. That’s what BMW dealers do best.

Out of the woodwork come all these fuckin experts with Ducati’s, KTMs etc that never ever have the odd rogue problem.

And before you lot start I am not a BMW fanatic, I have a GS but also 3 triumphs aged 1967 - 2018

That’s all well and good but the problem is these issues also happen out of warranty and parts that used to be reasonably inexpensive to replace are now horrendously expensive to replace . Pity the many regular bikers like me, who can’t afford a brand new GS and buy used. Q

Years ago I had a 1997 30k mile 1100GS and I did another 12k on it , regular service costs only . Then 2002 1150Gs bought at 7.5k owned for nearly 6yrs and a further 40k miles add, regular servicing costs only. Then 2011 1200GS ; starter motor replaced at 20k alternator replaced at 50k . Moto Guzzi 1200 Sport 22k miles only issue final drive bearing failed , £55 part.

Honda Crosstourer 4 yrs old now but only 22k miles so far , regular servicing only ..... I’d put money on that being the case too for the next 22k .

I bought the Honda because I fancied a change , but mainly because I could afford to buy it as it was around £2.5k cheaper than the equivalent used GS. Also in the 12 mths preceding the purchase my 3 BMW riding buddies ALL had their ABS pumps fail and each were faced with a £1350 bill. (2005 12GS 25k, 2008 12GSA 17k , 2009 K1300GT, 12k miles ). As much as I wanted another GS it put me off. My 2011 GS was non ABS luckily.

 

[beaver]

agreed.. if you have warranty, these things are not a problem... but when out and the issue happens.. whats the cost.. are we saying don't have a LC GS out of warranty?
I want to keep my GS (2015) for a few years to come... but not sure I dare?... bought a non-ESA for this reason... but its the other issues with them that scare me..
Do we keep them or are they getting a reputation that will see them worth nothing on the second hand market?

 

[Troppo]

Don't buy one.

 

[spoonz]

Agree. I had a few Aprilias too. My 2001 RSV never blew front seals which is more than I can say for the 2004 RSVR with ohlins forks. To be fair, it was the design of the seal that was the real issue. I changed mine for the twin lipped version used on the R1 and never had any further issues. The Ohlins rear shock I found a country mile better than the standard Showa though, which, if pushed hard (lets say on a second run round the mountain at the IoM LoL) overheated and the damping just became all soggy and errr....interesting, especially when cranked over at 140+ mph!

BTW...I remember your handle from Aprilia performance forum....small world! We may have even met at one of Griff's dos...(assuming you're the same Spoonz?)

Probably me. I still have some business interests with Griff and I run his forum still. The Showa shod Aprilia I mentioned was a gift from AP painted up in forum colours and tricked out. (still in my garage)

I have not been to many open days although we used to attend the Italian day in Bristol which is a bit closer to me geographically than Tamworth. Did you use the same name on the AP forum ?