I knew this would happen...

[littleredrooster]

Despite Mr Garmin's assurances, I suspected things may get complicated and they have.

Situation thus:

I have a Zumo with Lifetime maps for the bike and recently bought a nuvi with Lifetime maps for the car/missus.

Garmin Express handles updates/new maps etc, but puts TWO unlocked versions onto the computer. These show up in the dropdown list in Mapsource as 2015.40 and 2015.40 U - same version, different lock codes.

When I plan a route/waypoints/POIs on Mapsource, how do I know which map belongs to which unit? Routes and maps don't work on the 'wrong' unit obviously. Is it just down to empirical testing or have I missed the obvious?

 

[Lord Snooty]

Colin, the latest mapping is version 2016.1 which I downloaded to my Zumo and Mapsource last week. Why not update your Zumo and Nuvi with the latest mapping and also Mapsource then everything will be compatible.

 

[littleredrooster]

Mike - the problem isn't the particular version, but the two unlocked sets of maps of the same version. One has a suffix 'U' in map source.

Our recent trip to the Alps was hampered by the planned routes and waypoints not being recognised but I don't know which set of maps I used to generate them, other than it was the wrong ones!

 

[Lord Snooty]

Ok mate, I think I understand - sounds like a touch of Old Timer's disease mate

 

[russ996duke]

Mike - the problem isn't the particular version, but the two unlocked sets of maps of the same version. One has a suffix 'U' in map source.

Our recent trip to the Alps was hampered by the planned routes and waypoints not being recognised but I don't know which set of maps I used to generate them, other than it was the wrong ones!

If you used mapsource to make the routes, if you open mapsource and look at the top left hand edge of the page, you will see the version of mapsource being used (its just under the "file, edit, tools" toolbar.
click to open the drop down list and you will see all the versions currently available.

If you look at "Map Info" on your gpsr, you will see what version your gpsr is using. As Lord Snooty says, best to update both PC and gpsr to the latest version.

Unlock is an interesting process, garmin do try their best to make it as complex as possible, but even I managed it!
Also routes created on previous map versions need to be opened and recalculated using the latest version and then resaved to avoid that tedious and often incorrect recalculating done on the gpsr!!!

 

[littleredrooster]

If you used mapsource to make the routes, if you open mapsource and look at the top left hand edge of the page, you will see the version of mapsource being used (its just under the "file, edit, tools" toolbar.
click to open the drop down list and you will see all the versions currently available.

Yes - and in my OP, I already said that I had TWO bloody sets of the same version on that dropdown list. It's not the version of maps which is the issue!

My dropdown list read thus:
City Navigator NT 2015.4
City Navigator NTU 2015.4
Global Application Basemap v2
No Map

So - as I already said in my OP - one set belongs to Zumo and t'other set belongs to nuvi, and the two are, apparently, not interchangeable. If creating anything for Zumo, I need to use the Zumo unlocked maps. How do I get the correct set, other than spending a tedious 2 or 3 hours tonight creating and downloading and trying routes on each unit?

 

[Wapping]

Don't shout, he's Welsh!

I thnk he's saying that your device(s) will tell what maps each has installed into it.... so you'll be able to chose the right one from your computer's dropdown list. Of course if you've loaded an incompatible map into one (or both) of the devices, that simple method won't work.

Failing that, as ever, Google is your friend....

http://www.gpspower.net/garmin-tutorials/218790-differences-between-cneu-nt-cneu-ntu.html

http://forum.gsm.mk/threads/garmin-city-navigator-europe-unicode-nt-2013-41.21997/

 

[The Grey One]

Yes - and in my OP, I already said that I had TWO bloody sets of the same version on that dropdown list. It's not the version of maps which is the issue!

My dropdown list read thus:
City Navigator NT 2015.4
City Navigator NTU 2015.4
Global Application Basemap v2
No Map

So - as I already said in my OP - one set belongs to Zumo and t'other set belongs to nuvi, and the two are, apparently, not interchangeable. If creating anything for Zumo, I need to use the Zumo unlocked maps. How do I get the correct set, other than spending a tedious 2 or 3 hours tonight creating and downloading and trying routes on each unit?

It should not matter which maps you use to plan the routes, all should work. It is only when you are transferring maps to a device that there is any issue with locking.

Interestingly the Nav V takes a long time to re calculate routes, the 390 for instance does the same thing in a fraction of the time. THis is from experience of loading routes onto literally hundreds of Nav Vs and 300 series devices. I try to recalculate routes using the sam version o the map as on the device but this is obviously not always possible. Today I was given a Nav V with 2014.10 mapping, I don't have that version but it recalculated the route without problems. I see so many comments that you MUST have the same version on the PC as the device. From my practical experience of downloading to several units every day of the summer season I can say it simply is not a problem. Yes the Nav V can take a while to recalculate but al the other devices do it very quickly.

John

 

[adventuredon]

Glad I spotted this post! Updated my Nuvi a few weeks back and even selected the option to install to both PC (basecamp) and Nuvi. I thought it was all ok. Currently my Nuvi version reads 2016.1...PC reads 2015.4...Now running the update to PC only, but been forced to use mmap updater as opposed to express this time as it is no longer copmpatible with Xp... Thanks for posting

 

[russ996duke]

Yes - and in my OP, I already said that I had TWO bloody sets of the same version on that dropdown list. It's not the version of maps which is the issue!

My dropdown list read thus:
City Navigator NT 2015.4
City Navigator NTU 2015.4
Global Application Basemap v2
No Map

So - as I already said in my OP - one set belongs to Zumo and t'other set belongs to nuvi, and the two are, apparently, not interchangeable. If creating anything for Zumo, I need to use the Zumo unlocked maps. How do I get the correct set, other than spending a tedious 2 or 3 hours tonight creating and downloading and trying routes on each unit?

I can sense your frustration with the wacky world of garmin... but I am trying to help...
now that you have clarified your problem a bit... you need to do another update i looks to me,it is possible I believe to update one or other of your devices but I prefer to update both at the same time, it seems to confuse garmin less that way!

so, with your gpsr connected and making sure you check the box to update both pc and gpsr....good old garmin will then take all night to update both for you to the latest version....

 

[russ996duke]

Don't shout, he's a Geordie doing missionary work!

I thnk he's saying that you didnt explain your issue clearly

fixed it for you.................

 

[littleredrooster]

It should not matter which maps you use to plan the routes, all should work. It is only when you are transferring maps to a device that there is any issue with locking.

Which is EXACTLY the point of the post. Did nobody bother to read the OP? I have TWO devices, both with Lifetime maps and TWO bloody unlocked sets of maps (Not bloody versions - that has absolutely fuck-all to do with it!). It doesn't matter how old the maps are, they're both the bloody same. I cannot explain it any more simply!

 

[littleredrooster]

Don't shout, he's Welsh!

I thnk he's saying that your device(s) will tell what maps each has installed into it.... so you'll be able to chose the right one from your computer's dropdown list. Of course if you've loaded an incompatible map into one (or both) of the devices, that simple method won't work.

Failing that, as ever, Google is your friend....

http://www.gpspower.net/garmin-tutorials/218790-differences-between-cneu-nt-cneu-ntu.html

http://forum.gsm.mk/threads/garmin-city-navigator-europe-unicode-nt-2013-41.21997/

Marvellous! Sense at last. Thank you! My Google-fu didn't extend that far. The second link probably explains what is going on. I think I can see a light at the end of the tunnel...

 

[Cheney Triumph]

Marvellous! Sense at last. Thank you! My Google-fu didn't extend that far. The second link probably explains what is going on. I think I can see a light at the end of the tunnel...

I posted this on the Garmin forum some time ago as I had not realised there were 2 versions of CN Europe!

https://forums.garmin.com/showthrea...d-City-Navigator-NTU-Maps&p=315959#post315959

With the recent changes I now only get one update per year for my Montana with the lifetime updater - from memory I used to get at least 2 or 3 per annum.

 

[Wapping]

It should not matter which maps you use to plan the routes, all should work. It is only when you are transferring maps to a device that there is any issue with locking.

Interestingly the Nav V takes a long time to re calculate routes, the 390 for instance does the same thing in a fraction of the time. THis is from experience of loading routes onto literally hundreds of Nav Vs and 300 series devices. I try to recalculate routes using the sam version o the map as on the device but this is obviously not always possible. Today I was given a Nav V with 2014.10 mapping, I don't have that version but it recalculated the route without problems. I see so many comments that you MUST have the same version on the PC as the device. From my practical experience of downloading to several units every day of the summer season I can say it simply is not a problem. Yes the Nav V can take a while to recalculate but al the other devices do it very quickly.

John

There are several reasons why the first piece of advice is always to have the maps on the computer matching those on the device.

Starting with the most obvious: When trying to give help answering (often very vague and / or ranting) questions on UKGSer, starting by getting the maps to match is a good place to start, not least rules out one possible area of confusion. It's odd how often simply bringing the map sets into line with each other cures assorted problems. It is simply best practice; achieved very easily when a fellow only has his computer and one device to worry about.... ie. they are not the owner of a hotel, with one computer but maybe multiple customers' devices to deal with.

Of course routes will recalculate - and ultimately display - between devices with different mapsets, just as they will when created in thirdparty software like Tire or when created viaopen source maps; it is only a series of invisible dots joined up by magenta line after all. That they will sometimes / often - for very obvious reasons - then recalculate again according to the preference set by the owner of their device is also well known and another area of confusion, too.

What devices will not do is accept maps / routes with the 'U' designation... If the device itself is (due to its age or design) unable to process or accept 'U' designated data.... That (and very little else) is the problem the OP encountered. He's apparently now well on his way to understanding why and can find a way to a solution.


PS To the OP.... The question I posed to Google was.... 'the difference between CNEU NT and CNEU NTU maps Garmin'. As ever, the answer was out there...

 

[littleredrooster]

...What devices will not do is accept maps / routes with the 'U' designation... If the device itself is (due to its age or design) unable to process or accept 'U' designated data.... That (and very little else) is the problem the OP encountered. He's apparently now well on his way to understanding why and can find a way to a solution.


PS To the OP.... The question I posed to Google was.... 'the difference between CNEU NT and CNEU NTU maps Garmin'. As ever, the answer was out there...

Thank you to Richard for doing this. It's a shame that the exchange of emails that I had with Garmin when I first bought the nuvi and raised the question 'Will the duplication cause any issues with maps and routes on either device?' wasn't answered so succinctly. I really would run a million miles away from Garmin if there was a viable alternative.

Apologies to the other responders on this thread; I was a bit tetchy last night and should have stepped away from the keyboard for a while. Sorry.

 

[Wapping]

All's well that ends well.