I think my HIDs just blew my headlight lens

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I have been having a bit of trouble with the HIDs I fitted earlier this year (an old kit I was given). They seemed fine until it started getting dark early and I noticed that dip was flickering and main beam took an age to warm up. I cleaned the connectors and earths as per advice found on here and elsewhere but the flickering persisted. Today I decided to check what burners I actually had with a view to upgrading to the latest ceramic burners and a fast ignitor/ballast thingy.

After checking and upon reassembly the main beam didn't work with a buzz coming from either the bulb or the ballast. I took it all off and apart again to check all was ok but on reassembly after pressing the flasher a couple of times...... BOOM something blew and the headlight lens exploded across the garage floor with bigger bits of galss going about 4-5 feet and smaller shrapnel is still being found 8-10feet away. Fortunately I was stood behind the bike and I was alone in the garage. I shudder to think what sort of mess I would have been in if I had been stood in front. :eek:

The engine wasn't running and I hadn't hooked up the dip light as I wanted to check the main beam worked otherwise all was as it should be. Any ideas on what might have caused this? Both bulbs look the same now as before and also look just fine so I don't think its the bulbs that have gone pop. All I can think of is a short somehow shoved 70,000 volts across the glass, but apart from the dip not being connected everything else was as normal - its pretty damned tricky to connect these up wrongly.

Also and I think I know the answer, has anyone successfully replaced just the lens? A headlamp unit is around £185 from Motorworks, but just the lens is available from a few places for a lot less. The ins does seem to be bonded into the casing so I suspect not an easy job to get either the remains out and more particularly the new one properly seated and sealed.

The engine still starts :D but I haven't hooked up the instruments to see if they still work OK. :nenau

 
I took one apart a few hile ago. The adhesive that holds on the glass on can be softened with heat, I don't think you will be too worried about cracking the glass :-D
I started a thread on it in this section a while ago.
There is someone in China/HongKong that has been offering replacement glass on EBay, I do not know if they have any current listings.
If you decide to get another headlight unit I would be interested in your old. The surface of the reflector on mine is shot.
 
Thanks Magwych. It's not the getting out I am too worried about. It's the re-sealing that I reckon will be difficult. I suppose I could just fill the rebate with black silicon and seat the lens on that. The reflector on my damaged one had a small bit of heat stain above the dip bulb and a thin veneer of broken glass!! Otherwise in fine form.

Any other views?

There may also be some HID ballasts, burners and a mounting bracket for sale soon too.
 
Doubt it was voltage. Glass is about as perfect an insulator as you can get.
More likely it was localised heating.
It could have been a dodgy lens. Maybe not quite the right temper.
 
Doubt it was voltage. Glass is about as perfect an insulator as you can get.
More likely it was localised heating.
It could have been a dodgy lens. Maybe not quite the right temper.

The burner hadn't lit up so no heat anywhere. Possibly a dodgy lens.

Never seen them get that hot before. Did you touch the bulb?

Here is the ebay listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clear-Front...ash=item338496bcfe:g:6mYAAOSwGvhUAUCD&vxp=mtr

Sealing them is pretty easy with a high temp silicon.

Jim :cool:

Thanks Jim. No i hadn't touched the burner. As above it hadn't lit up, I was pressing the flasher and getting a buzz from either the burner or the ballast/igniter box. I suspect it was an electrical short as the lens hasn't blown just in front of the main beam - where you would expect it if it was due to heat in the burner or something - but right across the whole unit (see pic).

Thanks for the link, I am browsing around eBay and some other sites for a lens but I could do with one quickly as I need the bike regularly. The only one's I can find at the mo are in the USA or Europe with a week or more delivery. Mad Hornets has one reasonably priced too.

Joys of HID...............:blast

Quality of some isn't up to the mark

Yeah I know, when I took it off the second time I was very tempted just to refit the standard bulbs as they have been nothing but trouble since I got them and while better than standard bulbs I was not particularly overawed by the quality of the the light or the beam pattern. Although thats probably down to the lamps not the bulbs. Anyway the standard bulbs ar going back in when I get it sorted out.
 
Stick the new lens in place with electronics grade silicone (no acetic acid) or a PU mastic as used on car windscreens.
Was there any alcohol cleaning agent inside the headlamp casing? That could have made an explosive mixture.

If the burner glass wasn't broken it couldn't have blown the headlight. Maybe you had a stone chip and the lens just "chose" that moment to shatter.
 
Stick the new lens in place with electronics grade silicone (no acetic acid) or a PU mastic as used on car windscreens.
Was there any alcohol cleaning agent inside the headlamp casing? That could have made an explosive mixture.

If the burner glass wasn't broken it couldn't have blown the headlight. Maybe you had a stone chip and the lens just "chose" that moment to shatter.

You Sir, are bloody brilliant :bow. I had given the connectors another clean with some electrical contact cleaner, I gave it 5 minutes to evaporate but it was cold and damp so evaporation would have been slow. There must have been some vapour inside the lens. Very well done :thumb2
 
I just ordered a brand new headlamp unit for £150 from a Dutch seller on eBay. That seems like a good deal

Magwych give me a week to ten days to get it delivered and fitted and then make me an offer on the old unit.
 
I hope it's a UK specification light he's sending you. Remember the Dutch drive on the other side of the road so their dipped beam goes straight into the eyes of oncoming drivers over here.
 
I hope it's a UK specification light he's sending you. Remember the Dutch drive on the other side of the road so their dipped beam goes straight into the eyes of oncoming drivers over here.

Are you sure about that, most bike lights dont have a beam preference, I've never bothered putting beam deflectors on any of my bikes when I go abroad because they seem to have a flat low beam pattern.
 
It's described as a UK spec unit so should be ok. Anyway given how crap the GS headlights are I can't see it making much difference anyway.

The kit I was using was an old HID50 kit. Apart from one of the ballasts all about 5-6 years old. I am sure a new set up is loads better but I don't want to spend the money. I will probably sell it all.
 
I'd like to see the ballast and bulb if you still have it ?
 
The bulb that was in the main beam when the lamp unit blew
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The ballasts. The one on the right of the photo drives main beam. I bought the other one from you Les in about April this year.
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The dip beam bulb. I think the slightly milky centre means this is on the way out and might explain the flickering (or is the milkiness caused by the flickering?)
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Finally a thought on the buzzing: the bike hadn't been ridden for over a week so battery may have been ever so slightly discharged. LampF was showing for dip but it would have probably gone out if I had started the engine. I think the HID stuff is all ok.
 


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