insurance help need

agent2494

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Had pay out for my bike that was stolen, Now am trying to get new insurance but due to the bike been stolen I am now classed as HIGH RISK and cant get insurance.

Anyone had this problem before? if so who did you use.

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Agent2494
 
You'll probably get a wider audience in the pub section.

The best advice, irrespective, is probably for YOU to keep ringing round. Yours is not the first bike to be stolen this year, this week or even this morning. It happens every minute. The poor sods to whom it happens cannot all find it impossible to buy insurance thereafter, or there are even more uninsured vehicles on the road than they even dreamt of.

Depending on the exact circumstances behind your theft claim, someone WILL insure you, no question. Whether you regard their terms as 'impossible' to accept, is another matter entirely.

Get busy on the phone, with a pencil and paper and be prepared to haggle. There is no obvious easy route out. You will make your own luck; the harder you try, the luckier you'll become.
 
Can't get insurance at all? Or d'you mean can't get it at the same price?
Sadly, that happened to me. A multi-bike policy & despite it not being my fault, I lost 2 yrs NCB as a "penalty". Carole Nash trebled the renewal price so I moved to BikeSure :)
 
Sadly, that happened to me. A multi-bike policy & despite it not being my fault, I lost 2 yrs NCB as a "penalty".

Well, it certainly wasn't your insurer's fault that your bike was stolen, precipitating your claim..... all they did was pay you out for it.

Your own post tells you all you need to know. It's a NO CLAIMS bonus, not a 'It's not my fault' bonus. You made a claim, end of.

Of course had you been as unfortunate as to have a blind old biddy ran into you with her Nissan Micra, denting your pride and your bike (and assuming the blind old bat accepted liability) then any subsequent action through your insurer would indeed be 'no claim' and your no claims discount percentage would probably have remained unaltered, maybe even increasing.
 
Get the young lady in your avatar to negotiate face to face with Mr. insurance broker. I would think that would greatly increase your negotiation abilities :)
 
They would not categorise you as high risk and refuse insurance altogether on the basis of a theft. Bikes are nicked all the time. What happened?
 
Why didn't you insure your NCB, its normally very cheap to do it, and you can have up to 3 claims a year without it being affected.
Good luck.
 
Protected NCB is not the golden goose protection people think it is, the discount is protected not the premium.

This is how it works after a claim the premium goes up but the percentage of NCB discount is protected if the premium was £500 pre claim with a 50% NCB discount you would pay £250, after a claim the new higher risk premium is £1000 your protected 50% NCB discount brings it down to £500.
 
Gents

Paid for protected NCB but still now classed as high risk as bike was used for work? Have ordered a new 1200gsa triple BMW its in the show room waiting to be picked up FFS!

Have rang 15 companies today and as soon as you say bike stolen sorry your a high risk.

Bike was insured through BMW as business use and cant change it now as it will look fishy.

Mac have just emailed we can insure you but due to the value of the new bike/stolen bike we will need to be paid in full £3000!!!!

this miss's is happy as she saying well lets get a new range rover arrrrrrrrrr
 
Unfortunately you almost certainly are high risk. Your bike was probably stolen by an organised gang, using the bike for work means a pattern of use. The gang will know the insurance will pay out and likely target the new bike. Completely unfair for you BUT the insurance co works on stats not emotion and it is that which is working against you.

What I am surprised about is that the insurer has not come back to you suggesting a tracker and data tag as a means of reducing the risk and therefore premium.
 
Protected NCB is not the golden goose protection people think it is, the discount is protected not the premium.

This is how it works after a claim the premium goes up but the percentage of NCB discount is protected if the premium was £500 pre claim with a 50% NCB discount you would pay £250, after a claim the new higher risk premium is £1000 your protected 50% NCB discount brings it down to £500.

Fair point.
 
Hi oldnfat

Have told them insurance co that the new bike has tracker/datatag and smart water but that means jack shit, one company told me its the value of the new bike and that's why I cant get insurance!!!!
 
This is where a good broker will help out.

You can find specialists in high risk policies advertising in the bike press.

Have you tried a local broker?

Let someone else do the leg work and earn their commission
 
Who are the original insurer and are they refusing to offer you cover on new vehicle. This is extremely unusual if that is the case. It would be a breach of their treating customers fairly policy. Can you provide the full circumstances and then we could give an informed opinion.
 
Protected NCB is not the golden goose protection people think it is, the discount is protected not the premium.

This is how it works after a claim the premium goes up but the percentage of NCB discount is protected if the premium was £500 pre claim with a 50% NCB discount you would pay £250, after a claim the new higher risk premium is £1000 your protected 50% NCB discount brings it down to £500.

Spot on.
 
Who are the original insurer and are they refusing to offer you cover on new vehicle. This is extremely unusual if that is the case. It would be a breach of their treating customers fairly policy. Can you provide the full circumstances and then we could give an informed opinion.

As far as the OP described it, his insurer paid out a total loss theft claim on his last bike, value and premium paid unknown. Either way, the contract of indemnity was 'fully earned' as the expression goes, the policy effectively died when the insurer paid for the motorcycle, giving the OP funds to buy a new motorcycle, which he has done. All OK and the OP has been treated perfectly fairly.

Now the OP has bought a new bike, so he has to start a fresh contract of insurance, the old one having died when it paid a total loss claim.

No insurer is obliged to offer terms at all; they are at perfect liberty to decline to quote, demand higher premiums or deductibles or additional security measures to reflect their (not yours, or mine or the woman next door's or my friend's mate down the pub's) view of the increased risk, now that the person seeking insurance has already had one motorcycle stolen and has replaced it with an expensive (desirable to thieves) machine, which he intends to use for regular business use.

None of the paragraph above is in anyway treating the OP 'the customer' unfairly. Indeed, if the OP's account of several other insurers' negative reaction to his request is accurate, lots of insurers are coming to the same opinion. Quite why (the devil is often in the detail, we know nothing about the circumstances of the theft claim, his past loss record, his driving record, the intended business use, his post code(s)... The list can go on) a broad range of insurers are reacting as they are you and I and everyone else can only guess.

Maybe £3000 with a tracker, a chain, a snarly dog and not used on Sunday other than for church, will turn out to be the best quote the OP can obtain after completing his trawl around every specialist insurer, basic insurer and Motor broker he can think of. His new bike is sitting in the showroom, so he needs insurance to start ASAP, that is probably not helping his case.... Rather like emergency tickets for a Chunnel crossing back to the UK, the price might well go up; it's only business after all. And all insurers (like dealers) are only in business to rip their customers off, UKGSer tells us every day, so it must be true.


PS To answer your question as to who the previous insurer was who paid the total loss claim, it appears to be:

Bike was insured through BMW as business use and cant change it now as it will look fishy.

I guess that is the BMW Motorrad policy, underwritten by Allianz, broked / administered by the monkeys at Devitt.

PPS If the OP really intends not to engage the new bike for 'business use' then he is at perfect liberty to declare that fact to his insurer. His insurer may well take into account the lower perception of risk that might entail and reduce their quote. Nothing fishy in any of that. But.....

If the OP intends not to declare business use (it is a standard simple ie. fair question on most basic proposals for Motor insurance) but then regularly engages in ibusiness usage, the insurer is at liberty to void (cancel) the policy back to inception due to non-disclosure, deliberate withholding of material facts... Often treated by the courts as fraud... So, indeed it might well turn out to be very fishy. But, hey, if it saves the OP some cash and fraud only adds £30 quid a year to every other bikers' policy, go for it.
 
Check out Barry Bikesure - do a search for the extensive thread.

If he is to be believed - he will do wonders to reduce your potential premium.

Al
 
The reason you might be struggling is because you're getting a brand new bike, which is going to be worth a fair amount of money.

I'm guessing that you had a bike stolen that was perhaps worth a similar value?

From the insurers eyes, if somebody has stolen your bike before, especially from home or at work then they are more than likely going to try again shortly after you've replaced your bike. This is backed up by common sense as well as figures and statistics.

Drop me a PM and I'll see what I can do for you

Thanks

Barry
 


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