Irish points on UK licence?

[Two wheels good]

Hi
I found this helpful thread dated 2007 and wonder if the situation has changed - has a reciprocal arrangement for transfer of points been put in place yet?
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120159&highlight=speeding+points

"A good friend" with a UK licence was stopped in RoI. The (very friendly) guard who said nothing further would happen speak with forked tongue.

My friend received a notice: 2pts and Euro80 within 28 days or 4pts if convicted following non-payment. My friend is 'happy' to pay the fine but would dearly love to avoid the points.

The UK licence details where not recorded - just the rider's address. Paying the fine and not revealing the licence details is not an option.
(A complication: the UK licence might have to be surrendered for an Irish one in 12 months.)

Any constructive, knowledgeable, comments welcome - deadline looms.

D

 

[richie]

Hi
I found this helpful thread dated 2007 and wonder if the situation has changed - has a reciprocal arrangement for transfer of points been put in place yet?
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120159&highlight=speeding+points

"A good friend" with a UK licence was stopped in RoI. The (very friendly) guard who said nothing further would happen speak with forked tongue.

My friend received a notice: 2pts and Euro80 within 28 days or 4pts if convicted following non-payment. My friend is 'happy' to pay the fine but would dearly love to avoid the points.

The UK licence details where not recorded - just the rider's address. Paying the fine and not revealing the licence details is not an option.
(A complication: the UK licence might have to be surrendered for an Irish one in 12 months.)

Any constructive, knowledgeable, comments welcome.

D

Hi David, can't help but I would suggest that there is absolutely no need to change from a UK license to an Irish one. Reason is simple, the UK one is good till your 70... Irish one needs renewing at cost every ? years...

 

[flash of the gap]

thats a famous one by the garda , ah sure gwan, just slow downa bit, thats a nice machine ye have, and then stab ye in the back

 

[Two wheels good]

... there is absolutely no need to change from a UK license to an Irish one. Reason is simple, the UK one is good till your 70... Irish one needs renewing at cost every ? years...

Hi Richie
That's good news. I'm quite attached to my clean (sob!) UK licence. But even on the basis of cost and convenience I'd prefer to keep it.

D

 

[billy56]

Did the point system not come into force around april time

 

[patzx12]

The points will only apply when you take out an Irish licence.
Same for NI

 

[the civil one]

Hi
I found this helpful thread dated 2007 and wonder if the situation has changed - has a reciprocal arrangement for transfer of points been put in place yet?
http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120159&highlight=speeding+points

"A good friend" with a UK licence was stopped in RoI. The (very friendly) guard who said nothing further would happen speak with forked tongue.

My friend received a notice: 2pts and Euro80 within 28 days or 4pts if convicted following non-payment. My friend is 'happy' to pay the fine but would dearly love to avoid the points.

The UK licence details where not recorded - just the rider's address. Paying the fine and not revealing the licence details is not an option.
(A complication: the UK licence might have to be surrendered for an Irish one in 12 months.)
Any constructive, knowledgeable, comments welcome - deadline looms.
D

Make Every Reasonable Effort to meet them head on.
If your friend is going to have to get an irish licence , then if its within the
3 year period , the Points will be applied to the Irish licence only.
The Irish System cannot apply points to a UK Licence , Much the Same
vice versa . Juts pay the Money and give them your UK details .

Or , Just Ignore it , and hope by the Time your friend has to
get an Irish Licence the "Record has gone away. Your friend will either
have to have an International permit or an Irish Licence.

 

[Two wheels good]

Thanks

Thanks guys,
That's reassuring - just a little. I'll cough up - and chalk it down.
D

 

[carsqhere]

Presuming your friend's permanent residence is in the UK, and he was only visiting Ireland on holidays or business, I'd be very inclined to completely ignore the notice on the grounds that the Irish authorities have no jurisdiction in the UK, and they'll hardly apply for extradition over 80 Euro.

 

[Dickieboy]

Presuming your friend's permanent residence is in the UK, and he was only visiting Ireland on holidays or business, I'd be very inclined to completely ignore the notice on the grounds that the Irish authorities have no jurisdiction in the UK, and they'll hardly apply for extradition over 80 Euro.

+1 WTF would you want to pay an unenforceable fine

 

[gspizza]

Hi Two Wheels Good

I dont know how true this is.. but I read advice and suggestions on one of the avoiding parking / speeding /ticket fines sites...

Advice goes as this..... as things are so automated now,
a possible way round avoiding getting points on your licence was to ..
... write a cheque for your fine and over pay the fine by an amount say €1.00= €81.00..
your cheque will be cashed and processed & you will be recorded as having paid fine by computer,
however you will be issued a automated refund,
and if you don't cash this refund-cheque your details may not be finalised in the processing of your offence for awarding points to your licence


Perhaps it one of those urban myths or is it worth a try

let me know if it works

 

[Mide]

Hi,
I too have a friend with a UK licence who has been stopped here (ROI) on a few occasions, twice they've sent a fine to his UK address, both times he has ignored the fines.
No repercussions as yet

aren't all licences(of EU countries) EU licences now?

 

[carsqhere]

Perhaps it one of those urban myths or is it worth a try

Urban myth, at least in ROI.

AFAIK there is still no points exchange between UK(incl. NI) & ROI. In the UK it's 3 points for speeding, in ROI it's 2, so the systems are not directly compatible to start with. My understanding is that the ROI authorities record the offence, and that points could only be applied if the visitor subsequently took out an Irish driving license.

In the event that the two governments get their act together and set up a reciprocal points arrangement, past experience would tend to suggest that it would apply retrospectively, potentially for offences committed up to 3 years previously, possibly more.

Were that situation to arise, you could find yourself with points on your UK license (or vice versa) arising from an offence committed in the other jurisdiction some time previously. I wouldn't see it happening anytime soon though.

 

[the civil one]

Presuming your friend's permanent residence is in the UK, and he was only visiting Ireland on holidays or business, I'd be very inclined to completely ignore the notice on the grounds that the Irish authorities have no jurisdiction in the UK, and they'll hardly apply for extradition over 80 Euro.

Consider this : Whether or NOT your from the UK and you Choose
to ignore a Legitimate Charge/Fine ......in another
member state.

Your innocently traveling along , minding your Own Business
and there,s a Road traffic Check point up Ahead.
You produce your Paper work , and the Garda Checks the Authenticity
of your Documents , only to find you ignored a Legitimate Charge .
You being a Foreign National , He would have no Choice but to
arrest and Process you ,However long that takes.

For Eur80 ? . Common sense weighs in favour of payment.

Of Course if your Never going to be in the Republic of Ireland
EVER again , Then Go ahead ignore it !.

I have had on Several occasions been caught speeding in the UK
on the first occasion they were going to arrest me ,
On every occasion after , they have a Record that shows i
co-operated and paid. I would hate to think what would have
happened if i had "Ignored it" .

AND just to add Credence to this , I personally am "price"sensitive.

 

[chrisdibber]

Hi
i live in the south, but have a clean uk licence, was stopped in the south for speeding, was given 2 points & 80 euro fine, paid fine to stop the guarda from sending mail to my old uk address. IF i apply for an irish licence, then the two points will be on the licence,(even if i apply for the licence after the three year period).
So, pay the fine and DONT apply for an irish licence.
The same happens with irish licences in the uk.

 

[luke scott]

Consider this : Whether or NOT your from the UK and you Choose
to ignore a Legitimate Charge/Fine ......in another
member state.

Your innocently traveling along , minding your Own Business
and there,s a Road traffic Check point up Ahead.
You produce your Paper work , and the Garda Checks the Authenticity
of your Documents , only to find you ignored a Legitimate Charge .
You being a Foreign National , He would have no Choice but to
arrest and Process you ,However long that takes.

For Eur80 ? . Common sense weighs in favour of payment.

Of Course if your Never going to be in the Republic of Ireland
EVER again , Then Go ahead ignore it !.

I have had on Several occasions been caught speeding in the UK
on the first occasion they were going to arrest me ,
On every occasion after , they have a Record that shows i
co-operated and paid. I would hate to think what would have
happened if i had "Ignored it" .

AND just to add Credence to this , I personally am "price"sensitive.

A very good post civil. Seriously.

 

[Dickieboy]

I have had on Several occasions been caught speeding in the UK
on the first occasion they were going to arrest me ,
On every occasion after , they have a Record that shows i
co-operated and paid. I would hate to think what would have
happened if i had "Ignored it" .

.

Where would your record of compliance be? Speeding offences are not recorded on the UK PNC system.
Your ROI licence details are not held on the UK PNC.
In simple terms once they've got your money your forgot about, the only record would be in a receipt book somewhere in the Safety Camera Partnership or Police Force that issued the demand.

I don't know about the ROI but but in the UK the failure to pay a fixed penalty by a foreign national is not enforced with any degree of urgency, if I was a foreign national and I got a fixed penalty demand from the UK it would go straight in the bin, I wouldn't worry about visiting again either the chances of being stopped are virtually nil these days.

 

[the civil one]

Where would your record of compliance be? Speeding offences are not recorded on the UK PNC system.
Your ROI licence details are not held on the UK PNC.
In simple terms once they've got your money your forgot about, the only record would be in a receipt book somewhere in the Safety Camera Partnership or Police Force that issued the demand.

I don't know about the ROI but but in the UK the failure to pay a fixed penalty by a foreign national is not enforced with any degree of urgency, if I was a foreign national and I got a fixed penalty demand from the UK it would go straight in the bin, I wouldn't worry about visiting again either the chances of being stopped are virtually nil these days.

Swansea Held my points. The Record Was attainable by the Police.
I am Sure its not enforced here with any great urgency either ,
but should they get you and check your Name against their
database , and they now can, they Will Enforce ...
I just dont understand why anyone would risk being arrested for
eighty notes ?