Is 2013 too old to be fixed??

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Just a quick moan after talking to an official BMW dealer....my start/stop rocker switch has started to resist my efforts at starting the bike....as if something is sticking inside, so I looked here for inspiration and there was something about a known fault (not a recall) a bit like the airhead 1200 fuel pump that BMW changed "as a gesture of goodwill". So next day I ring my local Motorrad dealer and was told "I'll have to check with the manager to SEE IF ITS TOO OLD TO FIX. Look forward to peoples thoughts about that? (2013 reg R1200gs by the way)🏍️💨💨👍
 
BIGJFH said:
Just a quick moan after talking to an official BMW dealer....my start/stop rocker switch has started to resist my efforts at starting the bike....as if something is sticking inside, so I looked here for inspiration and there was something about a known fault (not a recall) a bit like the airhead 1200 fuel pump that BMW changed "as a gesture of goodwill". So next day I ring my local Motorrad dealer and was told "I'll have to check with the manager to SEE IF ITS TOO OLD TO FIX. Look forward to peoples thoughts about that? (2013 reg R1200gs by the way)🏍️💨💨👍
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They can simply replace the switch cluster - it will probably cost you due to the age of the bike.

These rocker and push buttons did have a tendency to stick, I had a couple replaced under warranty over the years on different 1200GS models.
 
BIGJFH said:
Just a quick moan after talking to an official BMW dealer....my start/stop rocker switch has started to resist my efforts at starting the bike....as if something is sticking inside, so I looked here for inspiration and there was something about a known fault (not a recall) a bit like the airhead 1200 fuel pump that BMW changed "as a gesture of goodwill". So next day I ring my local Motorrad dealer and was told "I'll have to check with the manager to SEE IF ITS TOO OLD TO FIX. Look forward to peoples thoughts about that? (2013 reg R1200gs by the way)🏍️💨💨👍
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The "too old to fix" bit possibly has something to do with you wishing to claim goodwill on the repair !
 
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A 2013 bike is now, obviously, 13 years old or there abouts.
You don’t say how many miles it’s covered.
Has it lived outside for all or a good portion of its life.
Has it lived in a coastal town.

There are lots of variables.

I’d be looking at the price of a secondhand part from someone like Motorworks and then a new one from your Motorrad dealer for an idea of cost and then take it from there.
 
Most main dealers won't touch bikes more than ten years old.

Generally because their techs are only 20 years old and wouldn't know how to do anything on a bike that they don't see every day. They aren't thinkers. They're semi trained monkeys used to repetitive and simple service tasks.

It's also due to older bikes having issues with seized or damaged screws and bolts.

Older bikes play havoc with their fast food inspired drive through booking system.

And the main reason is that if you ride an older bike, you'll be categorised as someone without endlessly deep pockets. Or perhaps savvy with your cash.
And that is not the type of customer a main agent wants to deal with.

Sad isn't it.
 
MotoRevive said:
Most main dealers won't touch bikes more than ten years old.

Generally because their techs are only 20 years old and wouldn't know how to do anything on a bike that they don't see every day. They aren't thinkers. They're semi trained monkeys used to repetitive and simple service tasks.

It's also due to older bikes having issues with seized or damaged screws and bolts.

Older bikes play havoc with their fast food inspired drive through booking system.

And the main reason is that if you ride an older bike, you'll be categorised as someone without endlessly deep pockets. Or perhaps savvy with your cash.
And that is not the type of customer a main agent wants to deal with.

Sad isn't it.
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This whole post is just bullshit
 
It’s simply wear and tear, not a known manufacturing/design fault
 
Steptoe said:
It’s simply wear and tear, not a known manufacturing/design fault
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Hmmmmm I disagree, I have had 6 1200/1250s since 2005 - sticking momentary and rocker switches were not that unusual, it happened to me 2 or 3 times - it was a switch quality control problem as it happened on new bikes, not only older bikes. My dealer replaced many switch clusters for this problem.
The early switch clusters also had an issue with water ingress due to perished rubber seals over the momentary buttons. I posted a complete switch disassembly with photos on this perishing issue many many years ago, can't find it now.

Having said all that. you are unlikely to get a 2013 switch cluster replaced free of charge - BMW will say that you have had reasonable amount of use out of the bike.
 
It sounds like the 'gesture of goodwill' is the too old commentary. As they are still replacing driveshafts (under warranty/recall) on the 2013 with the recall for the lifetime of the Bike. I'm due to get my second free one soon!

My Bike sees a BMW dealer once a year, and has never been turned away from any dealership, nor had any issues when worked on. It has only ever had the valves adjusted in the 4 years/ 40k miles i've had it.
 
BIGJFH said:
Just a quick moan after talking to an official BMW dealer....my start/stop rocker switch has started to resist my efforts at starting the bike....as if something is sticking inside, so I looked here for inspiration and there was something about a known fault (not a recall) a bit like the airhead 1200 fuel pump that BMW changed "as a gesture of goodwill". So next day I ring my local Motorrad dealer and was told "I'll have to check with the manager to SEE IF ITS TOO OLD TO FIX. Look forward to peoples thoughts about that? (2013 reg R1200gs by the way)🏍️💨💨👍
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Used replacement as long as you get one to the correct spec , however, think yourself lucky it is not an early LC mine went through 3 left and 3 right sets of switchgear in less than 3 years
 
TaskMule said:
This whole post is just bullshit
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Sure. Because I observed absolutely nothing from working at main dealers for the last twenty years. Including two massive BMW main dealers. Of which I only left the last one in 2024.

Please bestow us with your wisdom. And I don't mean about bumming Moose.
 
MotoRevive said:
Sure. Because I observed absolutely nothing from working at main dealers for the last twenty years. Including two massive BMW main dealers. Of which I only left the last one in 2024.

Please bestow us with your wisdom. And I don't mean about bumming Moose.
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Yeah another Keyboard warrior that, Sadly does not ring true to the usual Canadian Good Attitude!

Plus fuck knows where he is in the world? But the worst thing I had to deal with when I was at the dealership was the corrosion and steel in Alloy seizing! Oh and the Evo brake calipers getting salt behind the outer seals!

You had it spot on !! Anything outside the 2 + 2 warranty is just debatable if they will take it on or not!

Anything Much outside recalls safety campaigns will likely be a "No!"
 
I enquired for a routine service for my 1150GSA, at a local Motorrad dealer. Just to get an idea on price…. They quoted me £1200 if they deemed it in not too poor condition.
 
I’ve had my 2009 HP2 Sport serviced (as usual) at dealer last year. No drama.

I also have a 2007 GSA (that I now service myself).
I would not expect goodwill repairs on either, to be really honest.
 
TaskMule said:
Correct, and it costs BMW very little to do this. The shaft itself likely costs BMW under $100 and takes 15 min to replace
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15 mins... You really do talk utter shit don't you.

I was at a main dealer when we were swapping these out. I've done HUNDREDS !!

You have to remove the rear wheel. Sometimes the exhaust. You have to drop the bevel box which means removing calliper and speed sensor. You then have to remove the shaft which 50% of the time is seized onto the output shaft so that requires displacing the front gaiter and using a variety of pry parts and fluids.

Putting a new shaft of can take 5 mins or five hours. Because the splines often need dressing. And of course cleaning and greasing. The position of the swingarm is also crucial. Often requiring the swingarm to be jacked up or even the lower shock bolt removing.

Then the reassembly of everything.

If you do that in fifteen minutes you're either a F1 Pit crew or your a complete hack. I'm guessing the latter.
 
PapaHayd said:
Just to get an idea on price…. They quoted me £1200 if they deemed it in not too poor condition.
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this is called the " i don't want to do it " price.
i use it if i ,
don't like the customer
don't want to do it ,
customer doesn't want to show me the bike first ,
formula = what the job should cost +50%
if they agree the , i don't want to do it price , they will STILL get the call for the seized/stripped/broken thing , that i might normally wear.
 
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