Is my battery knackered or is it sumfink else

Gecko

Registered user
Joined
Jan 17, 2003
Messages
6,094
Reaction score
2
Location
Comin' home
Status so far:
Bike is a 1999 R1100GS - original BMW battery - always been fine up to now.
Occasionally charged on original BMW plug in charger.

Put it on charge Saturday night knowing I was going out on Sunday on Sunday morning the charger was showing a good strong green light.

The bike wouldn't start - clik clik whirr clik clik clik whirrr.....you know the sound don't you .....

Took the battery out and just to be sure put it on a different battery charger for a couple of hours.

The multimeter read 13.68v immediately after I stopped the charger - 24 hours later it's 11.68v and holding that voltage after 48hours.

Here's the question - is 11.68v enough to start the oilhead ?
Is there possibly something else that may be amiss before I go and fork out for a new battery ?
 
The voltage after charging isn't really indicating anything apart from the fact the charger is trying to charge the battery. What you really need is a battery discharge tester which is much like what happens when you hit the starter button. Apart from that you can see if any of the cells are gassing badly, which is not good. A garage will probably have one, but it'll be calibrated for cars.

My gut feeling is that it's discharging badly after charging and therefore its due change especially s it's only showing 11.68v before you hit the starter. Sorry.

PS That is all assuming the battery wasn't connected to the bike in the 48hrs from charge to 11.68v.
 
Voltage is only the force behind the capacity, a battery can read 12v but have no amps to turn ur starter, best way to test is put battery on bike put on your meter, then hit starter button if voltage drops below 10v it's a knacker!
 
Cheers Guys
Something to try at the weekend before shelling out for a new one I guess. After 5 1/2 years with the same battery I guess it's maybe time to get a new one.
 
Gecko said:
After 5 1/2 years with the same battery I guess it's maybe time to get a new one.

Wondering the same myself Gecko, my 1150 battery is almost 5 years old although never had a problem, what with Morocco looming up in a couple of months, then the Tossers Tour of 'over there somewhere' a dodgy battery is the last thing I need.

Tim
 
This is a bit spooky! My bike (same as Gecko's & same year) did pretty much the same on Sunday!

Been standing for about 5 weeks (yeah yeah I know) but no optimate or anything. Went to start it and it did the click whirr thing. Put it on charge for just over an hour - turned over a little bit but not enough then started clicking. Jump started it off my car and started fine. Went out for a run, not using any heated things, just headlamp, was out for about hour & half and when I stopped it was just the same. Barely turned over and then clicked - wouldn't start it. Bump started no problem.

I guess the battery's knackered as it doesn't appear to be holding a charge _ I think it's the original. So, if I gfet a new one, where's best, and is a lead acid or gel type better?
 
New BMW Gel battery is £81. Seems to start my bike alright and the last one lasted over 2 1/2 yrs and 86k miles...

Mike:)
 
Any more than three years on a lead acid battery and you`re on borrowed time.
 
Muppet said:
This is a bit spooky! My bike (same as Gecko's & same year) did pretty much the same on Sunday!

Been standing for about 5 weeks (yeah yeah I know) but no optimate or anything. Went to start it and it did the click whirr thing. Put it on charge for just over an hour - turned over a little bit but not enough then started clicking. Jump started it off my car and started fine. Went out for a run, not using any heated things, just headlamp, was out for about hour & half and when I stopped it was just the same. Barely turned over and then clicked - wouldn't start it. Bump started no problem.

I guess the battery's knackered as it doesn't appear to be holding a charge _ I think it's the original. So, if I gfet a new one, where's best, and is a lead acid or gel type better?

Sunday was a a sad day for the 1999 R1100GS by all accounts ;)

I suggest you go for a GEL or AGM battery. You only need a very small fall on the bike to have battery acid pissing out on you paint work.....it happened to me and before I realised what happened my left cylinder and engine paintwork blistered and peeled up very nicely :(

I did some research on battery types and chargers and this is what I turned up:

A gel battery design is typically a modification of the standard lead acid battery. A gelling agent is added to the electrolyte to reduce movement inside the battery case. Many gel batteries also use one way valves in place of open vents, this helps the normal internal gasses to recombine back into water in the battery, reducing gassing. "Gel Cell" batteries are non-spillable even if they are broken. Gel cells must be charged at a lower voltage than flooded or AGM to prevent excess gas from damaging the cells. Fast charging them on a conventional automotive charger may be permanently damage a Gel Battery.

The newer type of sealed nonspillable maintenance free valve regulated battery uses "Absorbed Glass Mats", or AGM separators between the plates. This is a very fine fiber Boron-Silicate glass mat. These type of batteries have all the advantages of gelled, but can take much more abuse. These are also called "starved electrolyte.” Just like the Gel batteries, the AGM Battery will not leak acid if broken
The advantages of AGM batteries are no maintenance, sealed against fumes, hydrogen, leakage, or non-spilling even if they are broken, and can survive most freezes. AGM batteries are "recombinant" – which means the Oxygen and Hydrogen recombine inside the battery. These use gas phase transfer of oxygen to the negative plates to recombine them back into water while charging and prevent the loss of water through electrolysis. The recombining is typically 99+% efficient, so almost no water is lost. Charging voltages for most AGM batteries are the same as for a standard type battery so there is no need for special charging adjustments or problems with incompatible chargers or charge controls. Since the internal resistance is extremely low, there is almost no heating of the battery even under heavy charge and discharge currents. AGM batteries have a very low self-discharge rate (from 1% to 3% per month). So they can sit in storage for much longer periods without charging. The plates in AGM's are tightly packed and rigidly mounted, and will withstand shock and vibration better than any standard battery.


So anyone who is even thinking about going off road should seriously consider an AGM or at least a GEL battery for no other reason that to protect your bike in the event of a spill. All other riding Gods out there who will never ever ever possibly let their bike fall over even when parked in gravel or on the grass can carry on happily with a Lead Acid battery if they dare :D I know what I'm going after ;)
 
Got a new AGM battery today - you can use em upside down or lying on their side , they will never leak and has a 2 year guarantee and no special charger needed. Price Euro 99.50 (70 quid) ,
I checked out the BMW Gell battery but it is suggested the can't be used as aggresively i.e the need to be kept upright , BMW dealer said it needs a special charger and they wanted Euro 130 (91 quid) for it and only 12 months guarantee :mad: and another Euro 65 (45 quid) for the charger.
Not too hard to shop elsewhere at a time like that :D
 
Great bit of info there Gecko, thanks for that - looks like an AGM one for me it is then;)
 
My '99 R1100GS has just hit 60,000 miles and is on its original battery.

I parked in my garage on Monday night and this morning (Wednesday) the bike started fine but the ABS would not set itself once I turned the lights on. OK after a mile or so, just stop and restart the bike.

I normally pop the bike on trickle charge over the weekend and rareley have this problem.

Is this a sign of dead battery? Is the battery on borrowed time?

I guess 5.5 years is pretty good for the old one.

Any deals out there on batteries?

Calling Steptoe!!
 


Back
Top Bottom