I feel for you, I ride an R nineT and want to control it myself and not just to be a front seat passenger led by every unrequested help that I had to pay a protest premium for.
is there a market for a "simple" R1300GS?
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Im looking forward to the new driver assist as the new Welsh Speed limit tests my patience and sanity at 20mph , worth it just for that . Back to basics , not for me as its a backward step , one which I will not take on a new bike. I have old bikes which get ridden occasionally for the old times sake feel and the a reminder of the good old days lol 
The technology will be better than your skills
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How do you know what is your skill limits are, if technology intervention is taking control imperceptibly?
EPG_19...I dont think technology ever beats skills as you could see Bagnaia highside his Ducati and run over by a KTM...Even riding gods highside having much better technology than we get to buy ! Technology helps...to a point ! As you can still crash plenty when the front wheel goes hitting something less sticky...LOL Or in case of the Ducati the TC does not even work well enough in MotoGP with a real experienced & talented rider on board !
I'd interested in a fairly base model R1300GS which probably won't be possible.
Base white is fine.
Regular cruise, NO adaptive braking or lane assist.
No luggage or mounts, I'll fit Bumot or another brand.
"Probably" GPS prep so I can use the wonder wheel to navigate the GPS.
Forged/cast wheel option.
Conventional suspension.
Solo seat with rear luggage plate.
Manual adjusting shield.
Regular key, 2 please.
Heated grips
Centre stand.
Base white is fine.
Regular cruise, NO adaptive braking or lane assist.
No luggage or mounts, I'll fit Bumot or another brand.
"Probably" GPS prep so I can use the wonder wheel to navigate the GPS.
Forged/cast wheel option.
Conventional suspension.
Solo seat with rear luggage plate.
Manual adjusting shield.
Regular key, 2 please.
Heated grips
Centre stand.
Yep, thats about it. Let us know if you manage it……
I’d then spend some of the saving on getting panels sprayed Red.
If yamaha bring a basic tenere 900.
My GS is going....
My GS is going....
All depends on the price. However, there is absolutely no reason why BMW would do this….BMW are a finance company now not a motorcycle maker. Getting the highest PCP payment is key. The bike you have described is my 2012 TC pretty much. Would I buy a 100bhp 1000cc shaft drive GS without all the electronic bollocks…yes I would. Would it take a sale away from a 1300…no, and neither would it a GS900.
Will BMW make it… I fear not.
Clifton I am with you with the real key that unfortunately is no option anymore but why would you go with manual suspension except for that is is cheaper...Or some people with ABS only on the front...LOL I have Tractive-ESA on my 1250 and these are twice the shocks manual Ohlins are ! And the stock crap from Showa is just bloody awful to say in in native talk...LOL
They've sold over a million GS. More motorcycles than any manufacturer ever.
The notion they're a finance company and not a motorcycle manufacturer is ridiculous.
People love to absolute gripe and bitch about the GS and what add ons and what not. Talking about buying base models and giving out the dealer won't take them back
Simply put the dealer knows what sells. I bought used I didn't even entertain anything with 1 package on it. They were spartan for fraction more in price I'd have 3 or 4 packages on the bike. The 1 package bikes sat unsold for months.
They're a popular bike they sell like Goodo for a reason. And people simply don't want spartan packages on them. The maths tells you that.
Ummm.....Honda sold 18.7 million motorcycles last financial year.....BMW 203,000.
Got me there. But also mopeds shouldn't be figured in.
They make 4x more margin out of a bike on finance rather than not. According to their last statement to the DAX “in excess of 70% of new motorcycles sold with BMW finance“. They make motorcycles to finance….they are a finance company.
Is that the dealer, or the BMW mothership making 4x? I assume it's both, given that the days of being able to haggle a discount as a cash buyer seem to be long gone.
When I bought my current bike I ticked almost every option, because that's what I wanted on the bike. Is was going to be my bike-for-life ... until the 1300 came along. I've hawked mine round a couple of dealers (two BMW and one Triumph when I was flirting with a Bonneville). The BMW dealer knows what's on the bike as he sold me it, the Triumph dealer didn't even ask. The difference in trade-in money was only a few hundred quid, and I'm not convinced that I'm seeing much return for the several thousand I spent on options. maybe the message is - whatever you do, the house always wins.
Typically, the finance arm is a separate profit centre and relies on its judgement of residual values to avoid a loss or make excess profit. The cost of money is the additional cost they are insulated from as the puter is obliged to meet it.
Its no more or less than an alternative method of making a purchase. And a third party can provide PCP if the punter bothers to reach out to one.
So I'm not sure why it's an issue to some . Cash is no longer King for the bike and car purchase.
Its no more or less than an alternative method of making a purchase. And a third party can provide PCP if the punter bothers to reach out to one.
So I'm not sure why it's an issue to some . Cash is no longer King for the bike and car purchase.
