Plus the LC will be worth more when you come to sell it on
Not sure that you could tune the old bike up to the new ones performance and keep it reliable - anyway it a new one is a better bike in so many ways and it will be under warranty too.
Is this new R1200GS LC any good?
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Not sure that you could tune the old bike up to the new ones performance and keep it reliable - anyway it a new one is a better bike in so many ways and it will be under warranty too.
NLC
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For €50 (astonishing price) for a piece of plastic I installed a short throttle adapter in my 2010 GS. She goes like stink now.
Fanum
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'Tuning' in the sense that HTM does it isn't 'tuning', it's just setting the back back to the way it ought to be before BMW had to make it pass emissions etc.....The fact that they don't run so lean after a remap will probably make it MORE reliable in the long term IMO.
You're probably right if it was 'tuned' with other components added to get it to the exact number of torqs and horses as the toilet though......you'd be looking at cams, forced air or something rather more radical than a sensible remap to free up the engine to run how it was designed to
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There is also the issue of the much lighter crank and clutch, tricky to mimick that
'Tuning' in the sense that HTM does it isn't 'tuning', it's just setting the back back to the way it ought to be before BMW had to make it pass emissions etc.....The fact that they don't run so lean after a remap will probably make it MORE reliable in the long term IMO.
You're probably right if it was 'tuned' with other components added to get it to the exact number of torqs and horses as the toilet though......you'd be looking at cams, forced air or something rather more radical than a sensible remap to free up the engine to run how it was designed to
OK but are they going to get near 125bhp and 92ft-lbs?
Also is making it run 'richer' so that it produces more emissions and worse fuel consumption a good thing? With careful engine management there is no reason why 'running lean' should hurt at all, in the old days of poor control over mixture was most definitely a bad thing but these days it shouldn't be an issue, BMW boxer engine longevity has never really been an issue.
It's not a route I'd go down for a doubtful saving any way, but if you prefer the air-cooled 1200 to the LC it is an option.
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I think you'll find that most people who've had a re-map are getting better fuel consumption as the engine is running more efficiently across the rev range. This should also mean less emissions as the engine is now not working so hard to produce the same power.
EU emissions requirements are crudely measured at certain points in the rev range, not across the whole workable range of the engine. A remap improves engine efficiency across the entire range.
Andres
Avoid avoid avoid.... you will end up with an all-round inferior bike and forever regret saving a couple of grand.
The new GS also goes mad after 6000 revs, it is awesome.
But... You need the de-baffled Akra can to get the best enjoyment.
You will not get the same Bhp or torque of the new LC by just a remap on an older 1200.
You can get a smoother torque curve by fuelling etc and a small increase at the top end but that is all.
Spending money is a different story but we are talking big money for little gain.
Cams that have a high lift but narrow duration will increase the Bhp but sacrifice the torque
High compression pistons , larger injectors and then a remap, but to get the best you will need a standalone ECU.
Just not worth it.
I tuned a race car like this once - cost me £12000 just for the engine bits and I pushed a 190 bhp normal aspirated engine to 320 bhp
You can get a smoother torque curve by fuelling etc and a small increase at the top end but that is all.
Spending money is a different story but we are talking big money for little gain.
Cams that have a high lift but narrow duration will increase the Bhp but sacrifice the torque
High compression pistons , larger injectors and then a remap, but to get the best you will need a standalone ECU.
Just not worth it.
I tuned a race car like this once - cost me £12000 just for the engine bits and I pushed a 190 bhp normal aspirated engine to 320 bhp
Having got a hilltop tuned GS (adventure - admittedly ..), and having spent (only) a couple of days on the LC, I can assure you that tuning a TC 1200 will not give you a bike that's on a par with the LC's performance. 
Captain Beaky
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Thanks for all this feedback - it puts a lot in perspective.
Little-Brit
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I'm only at 600 miles and I've only seen about 7,000 rpm so far but the wc absolutely slays my 2009 GS already. Up to 4,000 it feels pretty much like the old bike, above it feels supercharged!
But even without the increased engine performance the bikes dynamics, brakes, aerodynamics, ergonomics (saddle and controls) are in a different league in my opinion. The clutch is the most delightful that I have ever used and then of course you have the suspension and cruise control (fantastic for a carpel tunnel sufferer).
This is my third GS and I really can't think of a single serious point which is better on the older models.
Derek
But even without the increased engine performance the bikes dynamics, brakes, aerodynamics, ergonomics (saddle and controls) are in a different league in my opinion. The clutch is the most delightful that I have ever used and then of course you have the suspension and cruise control (fantastic for a carpel tunnel sufferer).
This is my third GS and I really can't think of a single serious point which is better on the older models.
Derek
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