Late September Wander 2014 Malta, Austria and the Adriatic coast PROVISIONAL ONLY

Having had a better look at the map and where Rovinj is, I think we should plan on adding an extra day at least onto our return journey.

What I sort of have in mind is this:

Outward leg

Day one Calais to Clervaux in Luxembourg - 240 miles - Better still to Vianden, which adds an hour perhaps but is worth it the next day.

Day two Ckervaux to Schenkenzell in Germany - 260 miles (a bit less if we start from Vianden)

Day three Schenkenzell to Ruhpolding in Germany - 270 miles

Half day four Ruhpolding to Malta - 130 miles

I have ridden these roads before, so I know it works. There are (not excessive) bits of motorway in the routes, but only to take out some parts that would otherwise go down pretty ordinary roads just for the sake of it.

I think I am near enough set on this and will start to see if I can get us some hotel rooms reserved, at least in pencil.

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Return leg

Day one Rovinj to Arabba in Italy - 230 miles (I think the first third of this at least should be on the motorway, just to get going).

Day two Arabba to Zams in Austria - 170 miles (It takes longer than you might think, as the Dolomites ain't straight)

Day three Zams to Colmar in France - 250 miles

Day four Colmar to Reims - 220 miles

Day five Reims to Calais - 200 miles

It's a longer run on the way back than I had in mind but it brings in the Dolomites and parts of the Vosges. I could shorten the Reims to Calais bit quite a lot, as we could just burn straight up the motorway.

I will have a look to see if I can work something else, sticking with the Dolomite idea but swinging around to come back through the Black Forest and / or working on something different from Colmar.

What is bugging my mind a bit is the north side of the Bodensee, which can become a bit of a grind for two hours. Usually I just close my eyes and get on with it.

Any way, it's all possible and we don't have to decide today.

Richard
 
Wapping said:
What is bugging my mind a bit is the north side of the Bodensee, which can become a bit of a grind for two hours. Usually I just close my eyes and get on with it.

Richard
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I usually scoot well north of the lakeside, keeping north Ravensburg and heading in a roughly parallel route in the Tuttlingen direction, works for me

The lake road is hell on earth
 
Is there a place for one more? I know the list is getting quite big, but I would love to join you.

I'm new to this forum, and I was planning to do something similar in 2015, but even better if I can do it before with a group.

Thanks
Leo
 
Irosales, I will start a reserve list.

Let me see how things go over the next few months and / or how the hotel reservations go. I am usually pretty good about slotting extra bikes and bods in wherever possible. If I can do it, you'll be the first to know.... Watch the thread.

Richard

PS If you promise not to suggest that the Malvinas are in anyway Argentinian, it will help your cause no end. :D. :beerjug: I went to BA once and loved it. :thumb2 I have always wanted to go back and see some more of the country.
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
I usually scoot well north of the lakeside, keeping north Ravensburg and heading in a roughly parallel route in the Tuttlingen direction, works for me

The lake road is hell on earth
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I've only done that bit once right at the end of October and it was still awful. Almost without fail our guests who come that way say never again so I think this is good advice.

John
 
The Grey One said:
I've only done that bit once right at the end of October and it was still awful. Almost without fail our guests who come that way say never again so I think this is good advice.

John
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If you join Tuttlingen with Sigmaringen on the L277, you follow the source of the Danube and go through the Upper Danube nature Park = gorges.

What's not to like :nenau

A suggestion for getting from Bavaria to the Grossglockner, avoiding Fernpass, would be:


  • Ruette
  • L255 along Lake Plansee (nature park area), past Linderhof Palace (twinned with King Ludwig's castle)
  • Garmisch
  • Onto 11 and them look for a tricky turn at Wallgau taking you into another nature park along river Isar (small toll). This goes onto the 307 and to lake Sylvensteinstausee.
  • Head south on the 181 past lake Achensee (good place to stop for a scenic lunch)
  • Keep south on the 169 and then east climbing up on the 165 at Zell am Ziller heading to Gerlos.
  • Enjoy the Krimml waterfalls and head towards Zell am See before turning for the Grossglockner

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Late September Wander 2014 Malta, Austria and the Adriatic coast PROVISIONAL ...

The Grey One said:
I've only done that bit once right at the end of October and it was still awful. Almost without fail our guests who come that way say never again so I think this is good advice.

John
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Thanks

I can do a route & maybe incorporate the Deutsche Hohe Alpine Strasse too, towards Reutte if we're going towards the Fern Passé & Meiming plateau area
 
Cooperman said:
If you join Tuttlingen with Sigmaringen on the L277, you follow the source of the Danube and go through the Upper Danube nature Park = gorges.

What's not to like :nenau

A suggestion for getting from Bavaria to the Grossglockner, avoiding Fernpass, would be:


  • Ruette
  • L255 along Lake Plansee (nature park area), past Linderhof Palace (twinned with King Ludwig's castle)
  • Garmisch
  • Onto 11 and them look for a tricky turn at Wallgau taking you into another nature park along river Isar (small toll). This goes onto the 307 and to lake Sylvensteinstausee.
  • Head south on the 181 past lake Achensee (good place to stop for a scenic lunch)
  • Keep south on the 169 and then east climbing up on the 165 at Zell am Ziller heading to Gerlos.
  • Enjoy the Krimml waterfalls and head towards Zell am See before turning for the Grossglockner

:thumby:
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Done both of those routes & all good

However it all depends how much time we have to play with - as ever
 
I note a few suggestion for arriving here via the Grossglockner. My advice is always to have a plan B, the 'glockner, like all high passes can be closed due to bad weather. This happens throughout the season, usually once or twice a month and is just a likely in July or August as any other month. So expect to use it if this is your plan but have an alternative ready. Check the weather and road conditions on the day if possible.

Its also worth considering that if using the Grossglockner is part of a longer day you might end up having to ride over it without time to stop and stare. We find a lot of people end up going back during their stay so they can give it the time in deserves.

John
 
The Grey One said:
I note a few suggestion for arriving here via the Grossglockner. My advice is always to have a plan B, the 'glockner, like all high passes can be closed due to bad weather. This happens throughout the season, usually once or twice a month and is just a likely in July or August as any other month. So expect to use it if this is your plan but have an alternative ready. Check the weather and road conditions on the day if possible.

Its also worth considering that if using the Grossglockner is part of a longer day you might end up having to ride over it without time to stop and stare. We find a lot of people end up going back during their stay so they can give it the time in deserves.

John
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I think I'd arrive via the Fern Pass & then Meiming to Imst & over the Timmeljoch & San Leonardo passes to Vipiteno & then through the Austrian Tyrol - lovely road to Lienz along the Drau valley :)
 
Hi Wapping

If you are starting a reserve list could you please add me to it?
Don't post here a lot but been a member for quite a while.
Have done a few biggish trips inc Morocco and Istanbul before but not for a year or two.
Thanks
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
I think I'd arrive via the Fern Pass & then Meiming to Imst & over the Timmeljoch & San Leonardo passes to Vipiteno & then through the Austrian Tyrol - lovely road to Lienz along the Drau valley :)
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I like the sound of that, travelling buddy ;)
 
JohnnyBoxer said:
I think I'd arrive via the Fern Pass & then Meiming to Imst & over the Timmeljoch & San Leonardo passes to Vipiteno & then through the Austrian Tyrol - lovely road to Lienz along the Drau valley :)
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Lovely route if you get the weather, as always! Last time for me over there it was torrential rain / hail /thunder and the most tiring and long day's ride I can remember! Trying to keep a group together was fun, especially when one chap lost his glasses!

Matt
 
Monty said:
Lovely route if you get the weather, as always! Last time for me over there it was torrential rain / hail /thunder and the most tiring and long day's ride I can remember! Trying to keep a group together was fun, especially when one chap lost his glasses!

Matt
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I've done that one,, lost my glass that is,,,,, two days riding,,,,, everything looked like you were looking out of a bottom of a glass,,,the misses kept me right
 
All sounds good to me, once the route is finalised though I may want to return to the UK via a diferent port than Calais (possibly Ijmuiden) .
 
NEWCASTLE-IJMUIDEN DFDS

Well if this is going ahead and it looks like it at moment, my intention would be to use the above crossing.

Sailing out from Newcastle Wednesday 17/9 17.00 , arriving Ijmuiden 10.00 Thurs 18/10, plenty time to meet up with the rest of the group at Clervaux.

Return sailing from Ijmuiden Thurs 2/10 17.00, arriving Newcastle 09.00 Friday 3/10 for the drive home.

The cost for the return journey including bike is £240 for a single passenger in a 2bed seaview cabin

or £332 for 2 people sharing with 2 bikes.

Anybody interested in sharing let me know. Btw I snore very loudly, you have been warned :augie

Richard let me know if you think im getting ahead of myself here, the plan looks great to me my only preference perhaps would be to do something different on the return after Zams, however im happy to go along with whatever is agreed and stick with the group accomodation wise.
 
I did try and put you right in post 42,:rolleyes:

a couple of months ago when we were on holiday, Rovinj was happily ensconced in Istria
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I think I'd arrive via the Fern Pass & then Meiming to Imst & over the Timmeljoch & San Leonardo passes to Vipiteno & then through the Austrian Tyrol - lovely road to Lienz along the Drau valley
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I agree Johnny, the south side of Timmeljoch and the Tyrol generally are very picturesque and some great sweeping bends as well :thumb2

What is bugging my mind a bit is the north side of the Bodensee, which can become a bit of a grind for two hours. Usually I just close my eyes and get on with it.
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Done this a couple of times, once it was really congested and took ages, although an evening in delightful Immenstaad on the waterfront watching the airships circle kind of makes up for it.

Richard I will be happy whatever final route is decided on, but keen on returning to Istria again, its fandabbydozy and warm too, highly recommended.

If smaller groups are considered the best option, I will happily lead a bunch of tossers up countless cul-de-sacs and private drives:D on your behalf.

John.
 
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