LC GSA not as efficient as AC & Insurance companies need to wake up!

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Hey all,

So thought I'd just share some interesting findings (Ok, so I thought they were interesting, you may not!). Just returned from a trip to Bosnia & Herzegovina when two things struck me as worth noting.

Number 1 - I'd really like to know why the majority of UK insurers won't cover the bike in B&H?
I can only assume that on the most part they have never visited the country and are thinking of it as was in the 20th Century Conflicts. Meanwhile in the 21st Century from my recent trip I found the roads to be better than many here in the UK (in fact I rode on one motorway which was still having the signs put up, which would put ANY UK road to shame), tunnels built to perfection and the smaller roads to be free from traffic well maintained and signed. Petrol stations come at you, at an alarming rate and every single person we spoke to had nothing but genuine enthusiasm and kindness to offer, many spoke better English than many English people and those who didn't speak a word of it communicated in smiles and helpful gestures, seemingly only pleased to help out a traveller in their country. Hotels had secure parking and those that didn't always had a minder to look after the bikes.

I had to buy insurance on the boarder, which cost me €20 for 7 days. The insurance representative was friendly, didn't speak any English but we had an animated friendly conversation none the less. I dipped in and out of the country across the boarders at 4 different points (2 major 2 minor crossing points), at every point the boarder guards were polite, friendly and efficient. Some got confused that I was coming into the country and not using the insurance broker at their point (because I had it for 7 days I could come and go as I liked), but after a brief explanation of where I bought it, I was always waved through with a smile.


Number 2 - my LC 2016 GSA returned less miles than a 2012 AC GSA
Both bikes had fully loaded panniers and topbox/roll bag. Interestingly the LC appeared to have better fuel consumption at around the 40-50mph mark, returning more than the AC on less fuel. However off road and at European motorway speeds of 80mph (more in Germany unrestricted areas) the lack of those additional 3 litres (the AC has a 33 litre tank vs the LC 30litre tank) really started to show. At those speeds I was running dry after 250 miles, where as my mate on his AC still had 80 miles on the range. I was surprised, as being German built & designed I thought the efficiency would see the LC outlast the older AC at high speed, but no. We travelled 2650 miles in 7 days and the AC returned better figures across the fast stuff and off road stuff consistently than the LC.

HOWEVER and its a big one, due to an emergency at home, we had to return home early, which required a ride from Croatia to Oxfordshire in 2 days. That meant crunching the black top. Here there is one thing that made a difference between fatigue and comfort.....I am ashamed to say it, but Cruise Control. I could set the speed and go from filling the tank till 250 miles later when it was running on fumes, no problem. My mate on the AC had sore wrists from holding the throttle open at a set position for the best part of 1000 miles, though even he admitted a benefit of the LC Cruise Control is that he could judge his speed off mine to keep a better constant.

Anyway, if anyone has any idea as to why insurance companies are ignorant to the potential of Bosnia & Herzegovina, or why a BMW 4 years younger and using the latest tech can't at least match an older boxxer engine at high speed, I'd be interested to hear.

P.S. Croatia and Slovenia have some great offroad riding and really are just a couple of days away!
 
Strange thrashing my 2014 gsa wc on the continent 2 up with luggage it never dips below 320 mile to the tank before the light comes on .Bimbling around the alps keeping to the limits it will potentialy eke well over 420 miles from a tank

Not the worlds biggest wc fan but it easily gives the same range as my old r1200gsa tc did
 
Strange thrashing my 2014 gsa wc on the continent 2 up with luggage it never dips below 320 mile to the tank before the light comes on .Bimbling around the alps keeping to the limits it will potentialy eke well over 420 miles from a tank

Not the worlds biggest wc fan but it easily gives the same range as my old r1200gsa tc did

Wow, that is interesting, I was getting LOT less, and was only me on the bike plus the luggage.......to borrow a phrase from Alice, curiouser and curiouser.
 
Isn't the insurance 'thing' down to the fact that they are not (yet) in the EU?

I'm not sure, because pre-trip I needed to get insurance and called the big boys such as Carole Nash, Bennetts & Swinton only to be told none of them covered it. My mates insurance (which I just messaged him to get the name of as figure others may find it useful) did offer him a green card which cost him £30 but meant he was insured in B&H and was waved through boarders like he smelled of strawberries! I just wish I'd found out his company pre-sorting out my own insurance as would have gone with his firm. Although €20 is cheaper, it was for 3rd party in country insurance which I guess isn't worth the paper it is written on, I would have been far happier on a UK insurer backed green card.
 
I'm not sure, because pre-trip I needed to get insurance and called the big boys such as Carole Nash, Bennetts & Swinton only to be told none of them covered it. My mates insurance (which I just messaged him to get the name of as figure others may find it useful) did offer him a green card which cost him £30 but meant he was insured in B&H and was waved through boarders like he smelled of strawberries! I just wish I'd found out his company pre-sorting out my own insurance as would have gone with his firm. Although €20 is cheaper, it was for 3rd party in country insurance which I guess isn't worth the paper it is written on, I would have been far happier on a UK insurer backed green card.

Yes please - we want that insurers name
 
I know peeps on here have issues with Bennets but when I came to renewal I was mindful that I may want to go to Morocco, so asked if they did the green card....and they said YES....
3rd Party....I believe thats all drivers have in Germany :nenau
 
Probably the differences in drag is causing the fuel consumption difference - at speed drag is the major restraining force and a small difference in the way bike is loaded will make a surprising difference in drag. My standard LC TE is pretty much the same as my old twin-cam, the LC being all round a tad more efficient but not much.
 
I emptied the GSA tank in 200 miles :D on return to the UK. The Hexhead GSA I think is definitely a bit more fuel efficient than the LC GSA. I could have done Caen - Calais - Bedford on one tank at 80 mph but chickened out and refilled at the South Mimms services. Most trips abroad was 2 up with tent and panniers loaded. At a gentle bimble the fuel economy are excellent for both bikes.

The Hexhead GSA has better wind protection than the LC. More hp needs more juice and the bigger tyres I'm sure plays a part.
 
Yes please - we want that insurers name

OK, so my mate is insured with Motorcycle Direct. That is by no means a recommendation as we all know an insurance company is only as good as their service when you need them (which he hasn't), but he called them up got a green-card out to him within 72 hours, that covered him for B&H, he had to specify the countries he was going to and the time he would be on the trip.
 
On the economy front I just returned from 1200 miles in Europe my 2014 LC averaged 53mpg (real world checked at pump) mixed motorway & back roads. My 2006 AC GS seldom got to upper 40's.
The AC was Hilltopped
The LC has full Akra system
Doesn't help the theory one bit
I also couldn't get Green Card for B&H last year, so stopped at Split, which was fine as Croatia is lovely
 
last two days back up from Austria 2 up with luggage , sticking to limits in Austria for the first 60 miles then playing on the Autobahns to cover the distance cruising at 130 kph with occasion blasts up to 160 kph and the gsa wc has averaged 54 mpg, easily getting a real range of 350 plus miles per tank.
If your bike is getting only 250 miles it sounds like a fault of some sorts
 
Isn't the insurance 'thing' down to the fact that they are not (yet) in the EU?

Don't think so. I was insured for all of my 8 summers in Austria with an Austrian insurer. There were no problems going to Bosnia, it was covered automatically. I suspect is is a UK company thing base more on ignorance than anything else.

John
 


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