LED Fog lights

[Kintessack GSr]

price for it ?

I'm really interested in the reach of these lights compared with the standard GSA aux lights. The lenses on the standard lights aren't designed to give spotlight performance and for that reason converting them to HID's doesn't achieve a great deal. I'm wondering if the LED's will be better.

I'll let you know as soon as I have them fitted. I'll try to take some pics and hope it will show the difference.

 

[grasmith0149]

Is it easy to fit them, or is it a case of reming the tank etc to plug them into the ecu ? Also, do they come with wires etc to fit them ? Cheers, Graham.

 

[original_concept]

Knock yourself out:

http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts.do?model=0303&mospid=51557&btnr=77_0297&hg=77&fg=51

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=652646

Or, try calling a dealer... the horror!

and you search enough you'll find the BMW original LED aux light install guide.

 

[Kintessack GSr]

LED foglights

I now have the new LED lights up and running, it took about 2 hrs all in to have fitted and finished, very very happy with the results
I will list a series of photos showing the difference. The new LEDs are mental! Way way more power than the standard fogs, you cannot be missed with these switched on.

First pic shows standard fogs

 

[Kintessack GSr]

LED foglights

Second and third pic shows the new LEDs fitted.

 

[Kintessack GSr]

LED foglights

Third and forth pic shows the LEDs with a close up of the fitting.

 

[Big Red]

Just got the lights picked up. The BMW part number is 63177721320 LED ZUSATZSCHINWERFER, I guess thats german for LED Foglights!!!

It's german for 'Auxilery Ski Thrower'!

 

[cryogenic]

I`m sure if it is an over heating issue touratech or wunderlich will come up with a system that will channel air through to the effected area, really nice idea these will be on mine soon.

 

[GrinningGSer]

Kintessack GSr your before and after pics are very impressive.

My reservation would be that the use of fog lights, except in adverse visibility conditions, is illegal Highway code 226

In general , the police seem to ignore us and let us get away with using our lights as auxillary running lights, but if we make them shockingly bright, then things may change.

Having said all of the above, it would seem , from pics on AdvRider , that the beam pattern is favourable to avoid dazzle

 

[trainman]

have a look at Bikevis.com, their CREE running lights are not fog lights but are very noticeable, CE and E marked and only take <2amps (no relay reqd), mine run straight off the sat nav supply via a switch

 

[mr badger]

Kintessack GSr your before and after pics are very impressive.

My reservation would be that the use of fog lights, except in adverse visibility conditions, is illegal Highway code 226

In general , the police seem to ignore us and let us get away with using our lights as auxillary running lights, but if we make them shockingly bright, then things may change.

Having said all of the above, it would seem , from pics on AdvRider , that the beam pattern is favourable to avoid dazzle

Just becasue it's in the Highway Code doesn't mean its illegal.

Just call them DRLs (now compulsorily fitted to new cars) and you're fine.

 

[Grey Beard]

have a look at Bikevis.com, their CREE running lights are not fog lights but are very noticeable, CE and E marked and only take <2amps (no relay reqd), mine run straight off the sat nav supply via a switch

I looked at the website and the CREE LED lights, but I don't see any reference to European E Certification numbers. Without that number, these lights are technically illegal within the EU.

I have emailed Bikevis.com to ask for clarification.

Grey Beard

 

[Grey Beard]

Just becasue it's in the Highway Code doesn't mean its illegal.

Just call them DRLs (now compulsorily fitted to new cars) and you're fine.

My understanding of the UK Highway Code is that it is a set of codes or recommendations. If you have, or cause an accident, then, if you have not being following the practice as stated in the Highway Code, then you can be prosecuted under these codes.

Fog lamps are only to be used when visibility (fog/snow/spray/smoke, etc). is less than 50m. They also have a tell tale pilot light so the driver doesn't leave the lights on in good visibility. Of course that doesn't work for these that don't look at the switch or know any better or who consciously decide to drive with the fogs on anyway.

It is the same as some of the German Autobahns, which in theory don't have an upper speed limit, but they do all have a 'Recommended' speed limit of 130 km/h. If you are exceeding this speed and have, or cause an accident, then you may be prosecuted for not observing the 'recommended' speed limit.

Grey Beard

 

[alistairl]

My understanding of the UK Highway Code is that it is a set of codes or recommendations. If you have, or cause an accident, then, if you have not being following the practice as stated in the Highway Code, then you can be prosecuted under these codes.

The UK Highway code has a mixture of statements, some of them with the wording "MUST/MUST NOT" relate to the legislation that you would be prosecuted under if charged.

 

[Doberman]

I have the standard fogs converted to HID. How would the LED versions compare to them?

 

[trainman]

I looked at the website and the CREE LED lights, but I don't see any reference to European E Certification numbers. Without that number, these lights are technically illegal within the EU.

I have emailed Bikevis.com to ask for clarification.

Grey Beard

will be interested in what they say, the site does say e marked lens and i am pretty sure they had stickers on them when new

on the wider subject i would say that if anyone wants DRLs then dont use fog lights to do the same job, they seem far too bright to me, use a lamp marked as a DRL and have a switch so that you can switch if off at night in town

also theres a lot in the media now about the brightness of HID both OEM fitment an people doing it as a mod, bulbs are designed to work with certain reflectors an in some applications this clearly doesnt work

i think some MOT places are getting wise to this now and may question mega bright aftermarket lamps and HID kits, and I know they can fail you for blue LEDs too

i havent gone HID myself, aside from the canbus issues i know people who are seeing short bulb lifes on bikes, maybe the vibes? then again my standard bulb only last 10 months!

 

[GrinningGSer]

Just call them DRLs (now compulsorily fitted to new cars) and you're fine.

Err no.... ECE Regulations, a functionally-dedicated DRL must emit white light with an intensity of at least 400 candelas on axis and no more than 1200 candelas in any direction.[24] Most countries applying ECE Regulations permit low beam headlamps to be used as daytime running lamps.

Don't get me wrong, I ride with my fogs on, to save my life, knowing that this is contrary to the highway code. Making them brighter still, may be taking the pi$$ and pushing things too far.

I'll nail my colours and say that I think that HID's are too bright for oncoming traffic and somewhere I read that there are already moves to ban them

 

[Grey Beard]

Err no.... ECE Regulations, a functionally-dedicated DRL must emit white light with an intensity of at least 400 candelas on axis and no more than 1200 candelas in any direction.[24] Most countries applying ECE Regulations permit low beam headlamps to be used as daytime running lamps.

Don't get me wrong, I ride with my fogs on, to save my life, knowing that this is contrary to the highway code. Making them brighter still, may be taking the pi$$ and pushing things too far.

I'll nail my colours and say that I think that HID's are too bright for oncoming traffic and somewhere I read that there are already moves to ban them

Only one Xenon HID allowed on a bike in Germany (like a Touratech spot lamp on hi beam). Law is enforced and the police issue Tesco Club Card points for your licence and invite you to make a donation to the Government coffers when (not if) they stop you for a deviation from this rule . It must be E certified and it would fail the TÜV/MOT test if not, though this is only every two years in Germany.

TÜV told me about 2 months ago that there were no legal LED lamps in Germany, which could be substituted for the 5W 'side' light inside the lamp cluster and Touratech have not been successful in obtaining E Certification for such LED bulbs.

The DLR LEDs are available from Wunderlich and are certified, but I haven't worked out the best way to mount them under the fogs on my Adventure.

Grey Beard

 

[Grey Beard]

will be interested in what they say, the site does say e marked lens and i am pretty sure they had stickers on them when new

on the wider subject i would say that if anyone wants DRLs then dont use fog lights to do the same job, they seem far too bright to me, use a lamp marked as a DRL and have a switch so that you can switch if off at night in town

also theres a lot in the media now about the brightness of HID both OEM fitment an people doing it as a mod, bulbs are designed to work with certain reflectors an in some applications this clearly doesnt work

i think some MOT places are getting wise to this now and may question mega bright aftermarket lamps and HID kits, and I know they can fail you for blue LEDs too

i havent gone HID myself, aside from the canbus issues i know people who are seeing short bulb lifes on bikes, maybe the vibes? then again my standard bulb only last 10 months!

I had a reply from Dan at Bike Viz and an extract from his reply is listed below:

"You're correct in some countries are very strict. Here in the UK, if a small light does not have a lens system (LED based), E marking is not required.

The only product that we carry with E marked lens and CE approval is our Cree running lights, these lights are very very bright and would look good on your GSA.

HID is a grey area as but your stock lens and reflector should be E marked... we don't ship these out of the UK though."

It appears from this, that the Cree DRLs are similar in use to the Wunderlich LED DRLs or P markers. If they are E marked in one EU country, I understand that is legal for all EU countries, provided they are used as designed.

Each country has their own E Number within the EU.

Grey Beard

 

[Dainese Brave]

Am I right in saying that HID's are currently legal aftermarket fitment in the UK?

If this is so, and the same for LED's, if they are not legal in Germany would a tourist be fined/punished under the same rules? I'm thinking yes.

I'm suprised those are the regs in Germany, cos although I might be wrong, isn't there an Audi that has a bank of small lights that go across the front which I assume are LED's? They surely must be legal?