LED lights in the daytime.

[Sooty09]

"Feck me, just how many threads and posts are there on UKGSer from biker mates"

Don't know Wapping, 29606. and you have posted a very important, witty, clever, informative post after every one.

Just to let other members know, if a person pisses you off and you do not want to receive their ramblings click on their avatar to view their profile, A tick box allows you to add that person to an ignore list. You will never hear from them again.

 

[Gargy]

From 30 years experience - you arewrong most of the public do not see blue lights , nor do they hear wailers or a see the 2 ton battenberged vehicle that they are attached which is stuck behind them on
an emergency run as they a bimbling along at 50 mph in the outside lane, same as they don't see you when they pull out in front of you from a junctions - just ask any emergency services response driver

I must be one of the attentive driver/riders then................... But then I do tend to drive/ride with my eyes open.

 

[krytengs]

From 30 years experience - you arewrong most of the public do not see blue lights , nor do they hear wailers or a see the 2 ton battenberged vehicle that they are attached which is stuck behind them on
an emergency run as they a bimbling along at 50 mph in the outside lane, same as they don't see you when they pull out in front of you from a junctions - just ask any emergency services response driver

+1

You only have to watch those "Police, camera, chase, stop, road, motorway coppers...." shows to see how little most drivers notice.
Its funny (scary) to see how numpties fail to notice the battenberg racing up behind them from a mile away, with all lights and sirens going and then being hooted and flashed at until the penny drops and the total amazement of "errr....urrr...where did that come from??" look on their faces

So, if you're relying on a yellow bib and a couple of extra lights to keep you safe...

 

[gramshep]

My daughter in law is a first response paramedic in and around Cheltenham, she agrees..From the big square box to the M5 estate Battenburg, she never ceases to be amazed at how unaware of her presence people can be. Not all but most!

+1

You only have to watch those "Police, camera, chase, stop, road, motorway coppers...." shows to see how little most drivers notice.
Its funny (scary) to see how numpties fail to notice the battenberg racing up behind them from a mile away, with all lights and sirens going and then being hooted and flashed at until the penny drops and the total amazement of "errr....urrr...where did that come from??" look on their faces

So, if you're relying on a yellow bib and a couple of extra lights to keep you safe...

 

[krytengs]

My daughter in law is a first response paramedic in and around Cheltenham, she agrees..From the big square box to the M5 estate Battenburg, she never ceases to be amazed at how unaware of her presence people can be. Not all but most!

Could that be a case of "Driving without due care and attention" ? If you fail to to notice all the lights and noise, are paying due care and attention?

...and don't get me started on the idiots that leave their fog lights on ...failing to notice a great big Orange light on their dash!

 

[steadysteve]

More useful is the ABS allowing you to haul on huge handfuls of brake when the poor old buggers wander out in front of you as you have "disappeared" into the huge "no mans land" created by the A posts of most modern cars. Had a guy in a new Focus do that to me last week, SMIDSY argument so as we were being very civil and friendly despite the large quantity of pooh in my pants, I asked did he really not see me or was it a reaction and said oh no, smelly, its these windscreen pillars, I can't see anything when i pull out of junctions!!! So forget yer lights, hi vis, huge GS, we just disappear at times due to the car design. If it had been on my old Speed Triple i reckon i would have either been on the deck or clipped his arse, so thank you ABS and bit of sixth sense LED that he was going to do it.

So it's up to us to position the bike so we can see the driver surely....?

 

[snelly]

Better safe than sorry or would you rather be laying in the road after being knocked off by some dozy bitch "oh sorry didn't see you"

The , sorry i did,nt see you excuse has been the default setting for most fuckin impatient , and dumb arseholes long before we started with daytime lights, along with another top excuse of , you were speeding. How the fuck do they know that if they did,nt see you. Your lights are for seeing where you are going after dark. But if it makes you feel more safe with them on and increases your riding pleasure,good luck. You may need some.

 

[wheelnut]

...and don't get me started on the idiots that leave their fog lights on ...failing to notice a great big Orange light on their dash!

Yep, including GSAs

 

[wheelnut]

Making that inference requires statistical evidence that there were fewer RTA's (prorate) involving bikes based upon their visibility, than there are today. Does that evidence exist?

Don't think it does. There's no empirical evidence to link the use of DRL with reduced look but failed to see collisions either.

 

[krytengs]

I have to disagree with the OP.
When I was out yesterday, I overtook another LC and I could still his light at least 1/2 mile behind me.
That is a guess as I don't really know what 1/2 mile looks like in the mirror, but it was a loooooong way back and I could still see his U - not as a distinct shape, but still a bright headlight.

 

[krytengs]

So it's up to us to position the bike so we can see the driver surely....?

Yes but even then we can't assume we've been seen.
Altering position is key as it moves us out a possible blind spot and also registers with the brain as a movement in the visible area where the brain did not see or did not expect to see movement.

There is a fascinating article written by a fighter pilot on this subject and goes into detail how your eyes and brain work together to create areas of vision which aren't really there. The brain fills these areas in with what it expects to see and a biker can genuinely become invisible to the observer.
So when the driver uses SMIDSY, it is the truth as he knows it - a moment ago you didn't exist to him.