Levers

If they put a price of £90 and listed out of the UK would you happily buy them and think nothing of it, as much chance of a pazzo snapping as one of these.
 
Age has nothing to do with it.

A big brand has a lot to lose and will partner with a manufacturer with tight specs and tight QC. They have a lot to lose.

CheapoChinkyChonkEbay brand has fek all to lose and everything to gain by selling cheap inferior shyte.

The same factory could well be servicing both brands but with vastly different products.

Quite simple really.

Yeah, but that's what the "brands" want you to think.
 
If they put a price of £90 and listed out of the UK would you happily buy them and think nothing of it, as much chance of a pazzo snapping as one of these.

Maybe, maybe-not.

However, Pazzo, CRG, Wunderlich, ASV - do meet certain standards, and carry product liability indemnity to protect their company (and you).

You might consider those elements of their retail costs to be something you aren't prepared to pay for - that is your choice.

It's all about risk. We all play the odds, and realistically -

The likelyhood of your Chinky levers failing is small

The likelyhood of that failure causing your death or critical injury are small

The likelyhood of that failure causing any harm to me is infinitelly-small

So - I am happy with the risk.

Al
 
What's wrong with the original BMW levers ?

Have they broken or some thing ?

Worn out?

Don't see the point - maybe just me ;)
 
Yeah, but that's what the "brands" want you to think.
Rightho.

The likelyhood of your Chinky levers failing is small
How do you know that? Based on what analysis? From looking at an ebay picture? Do me a favour…

...It can be brittle, have micro-cracking, inclusions, porosity - and still be described as "machined from billet" - and "should be fine"
Yup. Precisely where the manufacturing & testing specs come in.

The likelyhood of that failure causing your death or critical injury are small

The likelyhood of that failure causing any harm to me is infinitelly-small
Err…its a fekking front brake lever...and contradicting your earlier post.

If they put a price of £90 and listed out of the UK would you happily buy them and think nothing of it, as much chance of a pazzo snapping as one of these.
You are completely missing the point.

Honestly, there are some prize exhibits of stupidity in this thread. Aside from that, exactly what problem are you trying to solve by changing the levers anyway? Farkling for the sake of it perhaps?
 
I think you are jumping to the entirely wrong conclusion about my post (but then- it could be me)

Rightho.


How do you know that? Based on what analysis? From looking at an ebay picture? Do me a favour…

I'm conceding that although I feel there is a chance of failure, due to these being cheap chinky copies - the chance of failure (to MPGSCOTT, as an individual in thousands) is small


Yup. Precisely where the manufacturing & testing specs come in.

exactly - I think we are in agreement


Err…its a fekking front brake lever.

Read my post - the chance of MPGSCOTT's lever failing, compounded with the chance that it causes death or critical injury - is small.

The chance of his failure (note - I am referring to HIS failure) affecting me - IS infinitely small, and I am happy with the risk that HE is presenting to ME


You are completely missing the point....and contradicting your earlier post.

No - I am not. I am merely looking at probabilities and trying to counter the arguments of "I have been using my Chinky levers for 3 years now - with no problem". They may get away with it - they are playing the odds, but how stacked the odds are - is unknown.
Honestly, there are some prize exhibits of stupidity in this thread. Aside from that, exactly what problem are you trying to solve by changing the levers anyway? Farkling for the sake of it perhaps?

Thanks for that - (my replies within your quote).

My argument has, and always will be:

By all means buy and fit Chinky brake levers, but be aware that you are playing the odds. If you are happy with those odds - then crack-on and fit them, because the chance of your choice affecting me -is infinitely small.

Al
 
I changed mine because personally I felt the space betwren the lever and grip was too much no matter how much I adjusted. So with these they suit my needs better and feel much comfier.

I have decided to give these a try and so for me I'm very happy they work for me.

Someone said earlier they look crap well side by side to a mates pazzo levers we both struggled to tell the difference. I gave them a lot of thought prior to fitting and after checking them over I fitted them.

Windy don't see how I'm missing the point, a lot of clowns would happily see an item listed at £90 and pay that. For me its a lever FFS so costs are not high, there isn't a lot of design in that its a case of tweaking what the bike manufacturer already does its not rocket science. Yes pazzo had very high initial costs but they have now been about for years so how they can justify the costs is beyond me.

I did a lot of research into these levers and I can't see anything which states huge numbers of deaths caused by changing to these levers. On the contrary I read lots of happy bikers staying how happy they are with them.

Upto the individual like I said for me I didn't like the feel of the original so swapped.

The original question at the top of the post was to get thoughts, I knew this list of doom and gloom would be the result so I was apprehensive about stating my point.

For a forum that is never good and I kind of wish I said nothing.
 
What's wrong with the original BMW levers ?

Have they broken or some thing ?

Worn out?

Don't see the point - maybe just me ;)

You wouldn't understand: Your 1150GS (and the spare one) were created perfect, so you've no need to fine tune it to suit yourself.

:grin
 
From another forum in the last 2 days......

I needed a pair of levers to tide me over until my pazzo's arrive next month. I went on to ebay and saw the below ones... I know they were "too cheap" but thought if its only quality a month with them should not be a problem... how wrong...

The fitment at first seemed fine and after fitting both levers I took it for some slow speed tests after bleeding and doing a general brake check, it all checked out fine. What I had failed to notice was the brake lever was very slightly pressing on the actuator and without the need for any adjustment (there is no grub screw in the back of the lever to allow free play) and the fact the brakes were free when not applied and gripping well when applied I decided to take it for a shakedown last night... this proved to almost be fatal... after about half a mile the brakes suddenly came on full lock on a roundabout almost causing me to lose control. as it was they were locked on so tight I had to get a driver to help me manhandle the bike to the side of the road and wait 30 mins for the fluid to cool and the expansion this caused to free off the brakes. It was then a very slow back brake only ride back to swap back to the old and worn carbon levers. I have had to take teh brakes apart to ensure nothing is damaged and completely flush the old cooked fluid out and replace the levers.
 
Well said ;).
Why £1000 worth of ally luggage when a dry bag with a bungee will suffice.

Personal preference is the reason.

I'm 'risking' a pair. A because I prefer a shorter lever an B my BMW levers foul the BMW hand guards.
 
From another forum in the last 2 days......

I needed a pair of levers to tide me over until my pazzo's arrive next month. I went on to ebay and saw the below ones... I know they were "too cheap" but thought if its only quality a month with them should not be a problem... how wrong...

The fitment at first seemed fine and after fitting both levers I took it for some slow speed tests after bleeding and doing a general brake check, it all checked out fine. What I had failed to notice was the brake lever was very slightly pressing on the actuator and without the need for any adjustment (there is no grub screw in the back of the lever to allow free play) and the fact the brakes were free when not applied and gripping well when applied I decided to take it for a shakedown last night... this proved to almost be fatal... after about half a mile the brakes suddenly came on full lock on a roundabout almost causing me to lose control. as it was they were locked on so tight I had to get a driver to help me manhandle the bike to the side of the road and wait 30 mins for the fluid to cool and the expansion this caused to free off the brakes. It was then a very slow back brake only ride back to swap back to the old and worn carbon levers. I have had to take teh brakes apart to ensure nothing is damaged and completely flush the old cooked fluid out and replace the levers.

Although now seeing this :hide:

Gonna be very careful fitting an checking them.
 
You use the original bmw lever actuators so it's all factory bits that do the pushing. Mine fit perfectly simply remove the pin from your standard levers swap over the actuators and fit the new levers.

Sorry if my wording is wrong.
 


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