Looking for some information from those that know the French Pyrenees area.

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I've been browsing around some property websites at land for sale in the Pyrenees, and finding plots with outline planning permission that are affordable to build on. I've long wanted to build my own place somewhere in the mountains and this is one of the few places left that looks like it might work.

Over the next couple of years I'm planning to go out and start looking around to see what areas might suit me, but thought I'd ask if anyone might suggest places to start browsing.

Ideally I'd like to be above the winter snowline, within an hour or two of a ski area but more than that I haven't really thought of. Obviously there's a lot of ground to cover and I'd be grateful for any suggestions of where to start investigating.

The house I'll build will be small (800 square feet), off-grid and I'll be building it myself.

Cheers,

Justin.
 
No easy way here Justin, you just have to do the miles and see what grabs you! Maybe take a look around the resorts and the roads leading to them so at least you will be able to access the slopes.
Prices will be much lower in MOFN but you could be snowed in which is why I mentioned the roads leading to the resorts which are kept clear.
 
Thanks Shenzi, I figured it might be like that. It's just that occasionally someone goes 'oh I know somewhere you should consider....'.

MOFN??
 
You could start by google-ing Immobilier followed by the area to see what is about in the region, they will also do land plots etc. ie http://www.picimmo.com/

I would reccomend you do not contact the Immobilier as here in France you will be asked to sign a paper before they will give you an address or allow you to visit a property piece of land which will tie you into only being able to buy that property/plot from them. You will incure high agency charges as here in France the Buyer pays the Agency fees not the seller ;)

So once you have an idea of the area and seen what is about contact the local Marie's office and ask them if they have any or know of any plots for sale - this is cheaper than using an agency as you do not have any agency fees to pay and could save you 10%+ of the cost. (Most Marie's have a website these days or if they do not you can usually contact them through the Tourist office again all towns have a central Tourist Office.

Good Hunting - don't leave it too late to start looking as it is a buyers market at the moment.
 
Why the Pyrenees? They are great, I admit but I sometimes wonder if people just favour the western 'English' side of France? No offence intended to anyone who lives there. It is a genuine question :beerjug:

Lots of other places have mountains and snow and more.....

For example, my parents live in rural Provence. It is an hour to Mt Ventoux's ski slopes or three hours into the Alps. At the same time it is an hour and a bit to the Med.

You could also look northish of Milan.

Good luck with your hunting.... Arm yourself with new tyres, a compass (always best to know where south is, as a north facing village in winter will be bloody cold), some good maps and a lot of patience.....:thumb2
 
Thanks for the replies so far, useful information.

As to why the pyrennees, well I'd like to live up reasonably high, above where the snow falls in the winter. The French/Swiss/Austrian alps are really expensive from what I've found looking online so far. Provence is crazy expensive every time I've looked at it and it's a bit flatter than where I want to be. France rather than italy because I've enjoyed visiting France over the years and speak a smattering of the language, although not well enough to settle there yet, but I like the language and I've always wanted to really get better at it.

I like the smaller mountain towns I've been around over the years climbing and skiing and it's something like that rather than the big resorts I'm looking for. I was, at one point, very close to trying to move to Canada, but it's a lot harder to do that than move within the EU. I don't have the money to make a Canada move easy.

I'm always open to suggestions and I'm looking forward to exploring. I've lived in 4 countries on 3 continents so far, this is just another adventure.

J.
 
We went to Ceret last year for the Carnival and loved it! Going back again this year! Might be worth a look around the area.
As Riders Rest advises don't sign any papers from the estate agents, I have always negotiated their %, if they don't want to play just walk out!
 
As to why the pyrennees, well I'd like to live up reasonably high, above where the snow falls in the winter. The French/Swiss/Austrian alps are really expensive from what I've found looking online so far. Provence is crazy expensive every time I've looked at it and it's a bit flatter than where I want to be. France rather than italy because I've enjoyed visiting France over the years and speak a smattering of the language, although not well enough to settle there yet, but I like the language and I've always wanted to really get better at it.

I like the smaller mountain towns I've been around over the years climbing and skiing and it's something like that rather than the big resorts I'm looking for.

OK, as good a bunch of reasons as any. :thumb2

Re. the language. Living in a country, dealing with the locals is the best way to learn, fast. My father, who last learned French as a schoolboy in the early 1940's pointed out that if your boiler breaks, the need to learn fast how to speak to someone to get it repaired is a big incentive. He quickly developed a pretty good vocabulary and then went for informal lessons for grammar etc. 20 years on and now in his 80's he's pretty good.

Don't forget the compass. My parents live, looking across the Luberon. The very attractive Provencal villages opposite (about six miles as the crow flies) freeze hard in the winter as they face north and catch a bitter wind from the Alps..... Not something you realise when you visit in August and it's boiling hot.
 
We live in Hautes-Pyrenees, between Tarbes and Bagneres, 425m above sea level and about 45 minutes from La Mongie the largest ski resort in the French Pyrenees. Purely by chance we found ourselves well situated for building supply merchants, ie within 15 minute drive. Bear in mind the closer you get to the mountains the more miles you have to cover to get essential supplies, and these miles take a long time to travel on mountain roads. Also make sure you are not in a valley that is shaded by the sun in the winter months.

Regarding other 'Brits', we wouldn't regard this area as a British enclave, we are now in our third year of living here and only know one other couple, and we only met them by chance a few months ago (but we are choosy him and his wife do own bikes!).

If we can be of any help, give us a shout!

Cheers, Phil

www.pyreneesmotorcycletours.com
 
We live in Hautes-Pyrenees, between Tarbes and Bagneres, 425m above sea level and about 45 minutes from La Mongie the largest ski resort in the French Pyrenees. Purely by chance we found ourselves well situated for building supply merchants, ie within 15 minute drive. Bear in mind the closer you get to the mountains the more miles you have to cover to get essential supplies, and these miles take a long time to travel on mountain roads. Also make sure you are not in a valley that is shaded by the sun in the winter months.

Regarding other 'Brits', we wouldn't regard this area as a British enclave, we are now in our third year of living here and only know one other couple, and we only met them by chance a few months ago (but we are choosy him and his wife do own bikes!).

If we can be of any help, give us a shout!

Cheers, Phil

www.pyreneesmotorcycletours.com

Thanks for the information Phil, when I'm able to get out there for a week or so I'll ping you for some information. Been flying around the area in google earth and finding some nice places and views.

Cheers,

Justin.
 
You can get small properties here above the snowline fairly easily...usually a holiday home that's for sale...ideal for summer visiting but snowed in in winter. As Phil has mentioned,indeed if you have to drive out for provisions it will become a hassle,and that's if your smaller road is actually open. 5 or 8 kms at 15 kph/hr will take a long time in the twisties....Just to get a bottle of milk can become a chore. Sometimes you'll find your road closed by a barrier and you'll have to park at it and walk in the rest of the way.
All this to say your normal village roads will be open...just anything away from a village could be difficult.

Bear in mind too that if you're enschonced in a dwelling like that then to meet local people will become difficult and you end up really being on your own with not very many friends other than maybe a few neighbours sprinkled over the mountain side that you might only see the odd time.

If I were you I'd try and find a place in a village which has access to skiing ie the mountains by a short drive. I too can get to La Mongie along with Cauterets and Gourette(google those names to see) I am an hour and three quarters from Biarritz and 45mins from the Spanish border which opens up another riding experience.

My house is on a scenic route where heaps of motos pass by at weekends,it's a wonder I have'nt seen Phil scooting past on a tour...(if not you should consider my area Phil ...a few great rides outs lol)

If you think about daily life,eg what you like to do as a hobby,where you'll get your car MOT'd,where you'll shop for food and building materials,where you'll socialise,Dr/dentist etc then try and find a place that can service all of that,then life will be easy.
Try and imagine yourself moving to the Scottish Highlands and think how you move about everyday and it'll be the same!!!

Anyway...in the meantime I'd try and visit your local library and sign out(or buy) French by Michel Thomas. It's brillaint CD course that you just listen too in the car and with no writing ....It's structured really well to get you talking a few words within 5 mins and with that then you want to learn more as you see yourself improving so quickly.

On that,my friends here are French,which means I can get along the best with the language...I ride in enduros (stretching as far north as Bordeaux and the even the beach race at Hossegor each January)and ride outs here,so again even all my riding buddies are French...they're a good bunch all with a common interest...Our club even runs a round of the French hilllclimbing championships at Arette each year... Weekly forest rides happen (most Mondays with buddies)which keeps every thing alive.


In the meantime try www.orpi.com or www.fnaim.com and see what you can dig up. If you arrive with cash don't be afraid to offer 30 or 40 thousand less on a home :augie ...the least they can say is 'Non!' or 'Oui' and you can pick up a bargain....:D

Other than that....see what you can come up with.....If you need to know what other costs are involved in the way of average weekly food bills,fuel,eating out rent/rates and such like just chime in.


:D
 
Thanks for taking the time to write up such a detailed reply. Lots for me to think about there.

I'm looking to be on the outskirts of a town but, in an ideal world, would love to buy a few acres with some woodland, but that's probably an unlikely goal. Would love to have a bit of peace around the plot, rather than be right next to someone else.

I'll have a look at the places you mention and if I have any questions I'll get back to you.

Thanks again.

Justin.
 
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On the orpi site have a wee peep at Nay 64800...I seem to recall seeing a place with a couple of hectares in the mounatins not that long ago in one of their windows....Orpi is like the Halifax used to be.

If you see a town you normally need to put in a postcode(as there could be two or more towns in France with the same name)...as you can see from above the number is 64800. The main towns in each department(sort of county) are numbered with zeros...I'll explain....Pau which is the main admin town of where I'm at is 64000 ie dept 64 with town number 000..... Nay is therefore 64800 and so on...Bordeaux is 33000 and spin off towns in that region are 33xxx

Have a wee peep here to find a list of depts here to orientate yourself..

http://www.france-pub.com/maps/departmental-map.html

Use www.viamichelin.com and click on Maps in the home page...it'll give a list of towns that you'll highlight...

:)
 
A few acres of land is quite normal all over the south of France. I have nearly 4 and that is in the Dordogne, bought 5 years ago for less than £100k.
Even here I can go skiing in the Massive Central after a 2 hour drive.
A good area to look for snow in the winter and well priced houses is the Ardeche. Fantastic bike country and about 50 minutes from ski resorts.
 
More information please on Pyrenees Atlantic area

Sorry to butt in, but we are looking to buy a holiday house towards the Pyrenees and went looking over easter. We stayed in Salies De Bearn. Which is a very pretty little town on a river near to Orthez. We wanted to be able to ski in the winter and go to the beach in the summer and mess about on dirt bikes all year round.

The guy at the Gite said that they were into quad biking in that area and I know that Sport Adventure run off roading treks not far from that area, however in all our driving about I didn't see many green lanes or accessible forests. There was a lot of farm land with fields and fences.

We went sking to Pierre Saint Martin for the day and it really only took 1 hour 10 mins to get there, the place was empty, no queues boots and ski hire ten minutes and on the slopes. Great little resort with trees.

Then it was only 1 hour to Hoosegor and the sea.

My question is, is there anywhere with the same distant/time to the mountains and sea plus dirt roads and forest roads in that area or do I want too much, or did I miss something.

By the way I saw the hill climb track at Arrete when we went through, it looked bloody vertical.
 
Hi you are probably less than an hour away from Spain - there are tons of tracks over there, and anything 4 meters wide (or more) without a sign saying you cannot ride it are legal. OK not on your door step, but not to far either.

cheers

Markie
 
Sorry to butt in, but we are looking to buy a holiday house towards the Pyrenees and went looking over easter. We stayed in Salies De Bearn. Which is a very pretty little town on a river near to Orthez. We wanted to be able to ski in the winter and go to the beach in the summer and mess about on dirt bikes all year round.

The guy at the Gite said that they were into quad biking in that area and I know that Sport Adventure run off roading treks not far from that area, however in all our driving about I didn't see many green lanes or accessible forests. There was a lot of farm land with fields and fences.

We went sking to Pierre Saint Martin for the day and it really only took 1 hour 10 mins to get there, the place was empty, no queues boots and ski hire ten minutes and on the slopes. Great little resort with trees.

Then it was only 1 hour to Hoosegor and the sea.

My question is, is there anywhere with the same distant/time to the mountains and sea plus dirt roads and forest roads in that area or do I want too much, or did I miss something.

By the way I saw the hill climb track at Arrete when we went through, it looked bloody vertical.

Sallies de Bearn is a great 'start of the season' enduro I do here...great flowing trails with the odd technical bit thrown in...very very fast going and one of the most enjoyable ones I do......the results are just taken on the special sections so you're under no pressure to keep at it...and that along with the beach race at Hossegor are a great start to the season(1st round before le Touquet)...if you're into quads I always do marshall at the endurance race at Irtay...(starts at about 0400hrs until 1500hrs)...good for training purposes......anyway..by the by..our club runs the Arette Hillclimb which will be on the 15.08.10 this year...last years event was superb...the Yanks got to the top so we'll have to change it and make it even more vertical somehow...lol.....I will post the pix soon in advrider

So...all this to say I usually ride out most Mondays here with my buddies through the forests..but what I would say there seems to be getting fewer places to ride nowadays...if you have a wee peep over at www.advrider.com and do a search in Ride Reports with my name of WIBO you'll see a few of my ride outs there...now I can't get up to the peaks anymore...not so good...I'm also about to post a ride report from Morocco (Jan past)in the near future...
:)
 
Thanks for all the additional comments and advice. I'm planning to get out for my first proper ride around the area later in the summer. Have just picked up the michelin atlas and now starting to connect the dots.

It's great to know that what I hoped I might find does seem to be available and that the costs are around my budget.

Give it a couple of years to come to fruition and I may be a neighbour to some of you. Beer's are on me at the housewarming and I'll keep you updated on the, most likely slow, progress.

Cheers,

Justin.
 


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