Looking to buy a starter Sat Nav

Dario

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Going to being doing some UK touring and think fitting my bike with a Sat Nav would be a good idea. So if you don't mind have a few questions. Garmin 2610 pop up frequently for sale on this site so i think i would go for this unit. Are the units waterproof ? Do the units come with a head set that you fit to your lid for voice guidance ? I have a 2010 GS which has power socket is this what powers the unit ? Does the lead required normally come with the unit ? Anything else i should look for ?

Thanks Dario .:aidan
 
Going to being doing some UK touring and think fitting my bike with a Sat Nav would be a good idea. So if you don't mind have a few questions. Garmin 2610 pop up frequently for sale on this site so i think i would go for this unit. Are the units waterproof ? Do the units come with a head set that you fit to your lid for voice guidance ? I have a 2010 GS which has power socket is this what powers the unit ? Does the lead required normally come with the unit ? Anything else i should look for ?

Thanks Dario .:aidan

Are the Garmin 2610 units waterproof ? Yes

Do the units come with a head set that you fit to your lid for voice guidance ? No - you can fit an earpiece but usually you will get interference so the usual route is to have an intercom fitted and buy the shielded leads to connect it to your Satnav + the headset to go in your helmet.

I have a 2010 GS which has power socket is this what powers the unit ? Yes, usually people either use that or there is another hidden around your headstock - (But then you need to buy a plug to fit it from your local BMW dealer BMW Part No: 833 004 135 85 Price - £7.82 excl. VAT each!)

Does the lead required normally come with the unit ? Yes the lead will be supplied but the Din/BMW plug on the end won't be supplied - these are available from Jaythro on the site CLICKHERE or Ebay if he has none left.

Hope this helps:aidan
 
Before I got an Autocom I ran first my Quest and then a StreetPilot 2720 though a set of in helmet speakers I made up from bits from Maplin for around £18. Worked very well indeed, no interference whatsoever. Was better with the SP2720 as that has speed sensitive volume (increases as you go faster and wind noise increases). There are ready made headsets available off eBay and the like, you may need to use an adaptor though as the audio connector for the 2160/2720 is mono 2.5mm.

Both SP2610 and SP2720 share the same casing etc. so the Garmin cradle and power lead are the same for both models as is the SP2820 (adds bluetooth and MP3, though memory is limited).

The SP2720 superseded the SP2610. The 2610 runs on non NT mapping that Garmin no longer support, last issue was 2009 and you can't get it officially from Garmin any more. The SP2720 runs the later NT mapping which is current and update-able. Obviously a 2720 will cost you more than a 2610 but might be a better bet in the long run. Don't forget to factor in the cost of mounting the GPS on the bike, bits from RAM and a Garmin cradle will set you back another £50 to £60 or so. That's unless you can buy one with these bits included.
 
Don't forget to factor in the cost of mounting the GPS on the bike, bits from RAM and a Garmin cradle will set you back another £50 to £60 or so. That's unless you can buy one with these bits included.

Bumpkin san You share true information from the path of enligtenment :D

Its unlikely you'll find the Garmin cradle and power lead as a new part (# p/n 010-10495-00) these days, but may pick up secondhand, if no to cradle, then RAM-HOL-GA9 is still available but you'll still power lead only, (# p/n 010-10495-02).

Then again for same money and for making a toe-in-the-water purchase and spend, also look at Garmin nuvi entry level, cradle and mount not a problem, you'll get product warranty (new or NOH white box version) and despite not being IPX67 rated will survive under the screen (had same debate last night at local meet)
 
Thank you for your replies. You know this is the great thing about this club of ours there are lots of people here to give advice to the like of me who aint gotta a clue !
Bidding on a 2720 on ebay at mo. Looking to purchase a basic bike to bike coms unit from Autocom am i right in saying that the 2720 can be connected to this ?
 
If the 2720 does not happen consider the previously mentioned Quest

It's waterproof, you don't have to worry about powering it from the bike with all the attendant issues as it's battery will give 15+ hours. At rest stops it slips into your pocket with minimal fuss

All you need is the RAM mount (GA-HOL-15 from memory) and the little dohickey thing (ACQ-35) that screws onto the mount and picks off the audio directly to your helmet speaker/ear monitor .......... no Autocom required

OK, the best mapping you will find is 2009 but roads etc in the UK have not changed that much apart from the potholes

Quests pop up here and on eBay for well under £100

They are an excellent intro into the the world of SatNav
 
SP2720 would be a great choice and I'm not just saying that because I have one. However, as RAM-Man suggested; I now run a Nuvi 765 in a waterproof case that offers more in the way of functionality. I have kept the SP2720 as a back-up and for SWMBO to use in the car as it's pretty bomb proof and has been a solid performer despite the odd issue which I managed to sort myself.

The Nuvi 765, now discontinued, can be had as a Garmin NOH unit (factory refurb, as good as new with warranty and the latest mapping) for around £110. The advantage of the 765, unlike most other Nuvis, is that it has an audio out jack into which you can plug a headset or, better still, the likes of an Autocom. It does have Bluetooth audio out of required, I've easily paired and used it with my earlier Autocom Bluetooth 1273 dongle but a mate of mine had issues connecting his 765 to the current BTM-02A. Anyway, I prefer to have mine hard-wired as there are issues with using the 1273 for a purpose such as this that I won't go into here.

Whichever way you go; With both GPS and sat nav being bike powered you will probably need an isolated lead to connect the two, this will eliminate ground loop interference that you will otherwise probably get, this lead isn't cheap at £25-£45 from Autocom depending on which GPS you're connecting. For the 2720 you should be able to get one off eBay if your patient for £15-£20. Try with a plain lead first if you can but budget to have to spend the extra on the special isolated one.

Quest is a good unit but has small screen and relatively delicate flip out antenna, again you'll forever be stuck on 2009 mapping. As Kritou says, portability is a distinct advantage over the SP2610/2720 which are quite big lumps. Battery does last a decent time when fresh but in a used one it might be getting a little tired by now. (Nuvis last an hour or two on battery power so really need to be bike powered). Steer clear of the Quest II, despite using current NT mapping it has issues that in some cases make it pretty useless IMHO.

Buying a Quest 2nd hand; check that it's a European model as these have 243MB of internal memory where the US model has only 115MB. With no card slot that's all the mapping space you'll have. Euro model will fit all of the UK on, you have to chop and change mapping from your PC when going on tour and coverage will be limited on a long tour unless you take a netbook to swap mapping on the road.

SP2720s from the States present another problem, best to avoid unless you have a stomach for some command line stuff to convert it to a Euro spec version. I did this to my US spec 2720.

When buying a used Garmin you need assurance from the seller that he/she will de-register the unit with Garmin. Without that you won't be able to register yourself and update or unlock the mapping. Additionally you'll want all disks and unlock codes. Also be aware that in this era of downloadable updates you won't qualify to install the mapping that the seller has on the unit onto your PC unless he either hasn't bothered updating at all or has bought the updates on DVD. One time mapping updates from Garmin are around £50, however, you can get a lifetime mapping update card (official Garmin one) from the likes of Hantec or Pentagon for that money.

Nuvis won't come with Mapsource, you'll need to do a slight hack install to get that onto your PC.

Good luck, it's a mine-field :D
 
Hi,
Depending on price level I would suggest -

Garmin 765t (has audio out) at around £120
Garmin Nuvi 550 (waterproof) at £220
Garmin Zumo 220 (waterproof) at £320

The 765t isn't waterproof but could be used in a GPS case see www.ridermount.com

Cheers, [email protected]
 
The ebay 2720 is now at £64 ( plus £10 P&P ) with about 8 hours to go. Having now been outbid i think i will let it go. To be honest i would prefer to buy from a member on here or purchase something will a warranty. Will be buying a bike to bike autocom unit. Should this influence what Sat Nav i should go for ?

Again many thanks for your valued advice and guidance.
Dario.
What do you think of this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garmin-Quest-..._GPSSystems&hash=item4aabe58528#ht_500wt_1156

Still a couple of days to go. At auction items can go for funny money i know. However what is the going rate for something like this ?
 
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The ebay 2720 is now at £64 ( plus £10 P&P ) with about 8 hours to go. Having now been outbid i think i will let it go.

It'll go for around the £100 mark I reckon, depends what mapping and accessories it comes with. Recent mapping and the bike cradle and you could be looking at quite a bit more.

Will be buying a bike to bike autocom unit. Should this influence what Sat Nav i should go for ?

Autocom plus bike-to-bike, they'll be separate entities really, the intercom and the radio, shouldn't have a bearing on the the GPS side of things. So long as you have a spare socket for audio in on the Autocom for the sat nav. On all but very elderly Autocoms they have a dedicated input for bike-to-bike anyway. If the radio is going to be bike powered you'll need to consider isolating against GLI again.

What do you think of this one http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Garmin-Quest-..._GPSSystems&hash=item4aabe58528#ht_500wt_1156

Still a couple of days to go. At auction items can go for funny money i know. However what is the going rate for something like this ?

Looks good as it has all the bits such as cradle and RAM parts, will sell accordingly... and now you've alerted a few tossers as well :D

You need to ask the seller a few questions, namely; What mapping version is on the the GPS, which mapping versions are on disk, does he have all the unlock codes, will he de-register the unit from his myGarmin account so you can register it in your name.

Don't assume that v8 mapping is 2008, there's a difference, v8 is actually 2006 ISTR, v9 = 2007, Garmin changed to the year suffix in 2008. Obviously the best outcome, for the mapping, would be 2009 on the unit and on disk with all unlock codes.

Mapping can be sourced from the dubious parts of the internet, however, you'll still need the unlock code. Later versions of Mapsource will only unlock the mapping if your have a legitimate unlock showing in your myGarmin account. Garmin unlock is a mine-field unless you know what's what.

Garmin MetroGuide mapping can be used on the Quest with the assistance of MetroGold. Metroguide mapping does have a few minor gottachs but will work well and in a certain respect with the Quest have a distinct advantage. Metroguide again ceased in 2009 (I think, if not earlier), you'd need to track down a copy. Metroguide doesn't require an unlock code.
 
Later versions of Mapsource will only unlock the mapping if your have a legitimate unlock showing in your myGarmin account. Garmin unlock is a mine-field unless you know what's what.

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I've got an unlocking disc that lets any garmin unit use the maps loaded using it.

I've the very very latest mapping on my 2610 :D
 
Looks good as it has all the bits such as cradle and RAM parts, will sell accordingly... and now you've alerted a few tossers as well :D

The image does mask the cradles, but to my eye .. it appears to show garmin bike cradle which then had a ball base attached RAM-B-202 (can't see it) and the arm is short RAM-B-201-A and the mounting bracket looks like either RAM-B-309-1 (by long screws) or RAM-B-309-7, which may suggest its parts from a Zumo mount ... but at £35 - its entry level, but you may well spend more beer tokens, sorting the mount out, assuming the Garmin bike cradle does fully function which is why I still say with eBay .. its buyer beware.
 
I'll have to have a rootle on the shelves but I'm pretty sure I've got a 2610 and touratech mount that I'd be happy to let go for 50 + p&p. Might even have the box somewhere in the loft. I'm away until next Tuesday bit might be an option.
 
How up to date?

I've got an unlocking disc that lets any garmin unit use the maps loaded using it.

I've the very very latest mapping on my 2610 :D

I still use a 2610 and find it preferable to the more modern units? I have the last official Garmin maps -2009- are you saying that you can load the later maps onto a 2610. I would be very interested in that if such a thing were possible.

John
 
I've got an unlocking disc that lets any garmin unit use the maps loaded using it.

JetRodent per chance :nenau Sort of naughty, but as Garmin have abandoned the users with non NT models some would say fair....

I've the very very latest mapping on my 2610 :D

Will still be 2009 at best though, correct :nenau
 
I'll have to have a rootle on the shelves but I'm pretty sure I've got a 2610 and touratech mount that I'd be happy to let go for 50 + p&p. Might even have the box somewhere in the loft. I'm away until next Tuesday bit might be an option.

Thank you for your kind offer. I did not respond earlier as i was bidding on and eventually won a Quest on Ebay.

Dario.
 
Okay Sat Nav has arrived. More questions i am afraid. Have what i think is a kit to mount to handle bars. U clap appears a little short only just enough thread to get nuts on ( no prob just get bigger U piece ). Ball unit on end of cradle and end of unit to be clamped to bars with another clamp that attaches to both and allows unit to swivel ( does this make sense ?)The cradle has two sets of wires attached . I am guessing this for sound out and power ?
How do i get ( what do i need ? ) voice directions into my lid without wires.
Apologies in advance for being dim wit.

PS Don't suppose any member in Glasgow area can show me how to set this fecker up ?
 

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I tried to provide insight on post #12 and seem to be proven right :blagblah

So its a Garmin Quest bike cradle and has round base (RAM-B-202) on the back .

Mount parts ..a short arm RAM-B-201-A and a 'cobbled' RAM-B-309-7.. if its going onto a 12GS, then use RAM-B-231Z onto LHS screen support, left of clock. Arm should bring it inline with clock.

The connector pins were; live, negative and audio line out (to a jack socket) bah, memory :rob , Kritou can jump in on this bit if he wishes.

Useful link for manual if needed, http://www8.garmin.com/manuals/860_OwnersManual.pdf
 


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