Mac and PC internet sharing

[richie]

OK guys the Ibook is here and it is quite nice apart from the fact that I don't know how the fek to use it. (intuitive is it not)

The PC and the Ibook are sharing files without too much problem.

But I can't get the Ibook to connect to the internet via the wifi connection of my portable which is hooked up to an asus usb adsl modem. Any ideas, I do not want to spend money on a router as in two months time I'll be back on the modem anyway...

 

[trotsky]

Richie

Several things...

I don't believe there is any way to connect a wireless network card to a wireless network card without a base station. Okay, lets be categorical it is NOT possible to connect wireless network card to a wireless network card without a base station.

Mac Airport cards need to talk to Mac Airport Base Stations. PC wireless can also connect to Airport Base Stations.

You gorra buy a base station to do it - see here (Apple.com) - lotsa euros.

Get yourself an ethernet hub and plug them in via wires, or get a good ethernet crossover cable and a looong extension

 

[richie]

I think your right trotsky. Seems a shame though, why can I share files but not an internet connection??? (Don't answer that I'm just thinking aloud)

I'll have to download what I need for the mac into my shared folder then transfer it across via the wifi / Airport connection...

 

[trotsky]

Damn, didn't spot the filesharing thing, never managed it meself. What I said up there is probably bollocks then. No, again categorically, is bollocks.

If they can talk they can share t'internet connection, I would imagine, just need to be sure they are getting sensible IP addresses. If I can recall anything correctly, and I begin to doubt at this time of night without a drink, the PC set up for internet connection sharing should be doling out IP addresses via DHCP. Now if you have set up the Mac to pick up its IP address via DHCP that should be fine. If not, set the Airpirt to get TCP/IP via DHCP

It may be that it can't simply resolve the host info. I have heard that the Windows sharing is broken around that sometimes... Try the terminal application on the Mac (applications - utilities - terminal), it's a real UNIX command line. Try "nslookup www.ukgser.com" and see what it pukes back at you (should be something like "205.214.89.23" or a useful error message. Then try "traceroute 205.214.89.23" for an equally useful error message. If these are new, first one does a lookup of the address from the name, second one does a "how do I get to..." check.

 

[boundless]

No base station needed for 2 cross-platform computers

PC is connected to the internet and the Mac can share files with it, peer-to-peer?

Then Wingate accommodates cross platform internet access sharing in this situation just fine. (Install it just on the PC.)

 

[(RIP) Kaister]

Now you know why 'most' people use a Winbox ....

 

[Andy80F]

Trotsky the iBook does not need an Apple Airport basestation it will work with any 802.11b or 802.11g set up. The Airport name is just the name they give to the wireless facility with the Airport Extreme representing the 802.11g standard. The pukka Apple Airport Extreme base station is expensive but not needed and most budget base stations will work (mine cost only £47). The iBook, untill recently, did not come with a fitted airport card, its an easy job to fit one though.

So if the iBook and PC are sharing files then the connection is OK but I can offer no help on ADSL set ups sorry. It might be worth looking to see if your ADSL modem has Mac drivers available and go for a direct connection with it and the iBook.

I know what youmean about the iBook not being intuitive but this is only so when you are used to another system. Usually the PC takes three steps where the mac takes two (sometimes the other way round of course) but once you get used to it the Mac OSX is elegant compared to windows.

 

[richie]

Now you know why 'most' people use a Winbox ....

Phil, I know I know....

Been teaching MS office and Macromedia for about ten years m8.

Just no good at all this connexion bollix...


Bought the MAC to prove to myself that they are as good as everyone who uses them says

Everyone else, I'll give it a while and see what happens. I reckon as well that as I share files OK I should be able to share a connection.... BUT sharing files is done via the IBOOK if you know what I mean.

 

[trotsky]

Trotsky the iBook does not need an Apple Airport basestation it will work with any 802.11b or 802.11g set up.

Yup, checked it out on mine. The old mac I had wouldn't sensibly talk 802.11x in any format but my new G4 does.

I'd been confused by the problems we're having at work at the moment trying to get the damn things set up with VPNs to connect remotely to our network - apparently THAT needs an airport base station.

Sorry if I drove you down the wrong road Richie, I shouldn't try answering difficult questions after 8:00pm while sober.

 

[richie]

IMHO by 8pm you should not be sober

Wingate link is for wondows 95 which is q bit old. Anyone else got anyother interesting ideas on how to get them to work???

 

[kcain]

Just bought the new iMac and have connected to my existing ADSL connection with no problem though I do use a Mac Airport base station connected via Ethernet cable to the modem splitter. The iMac recognised the connection immediately and set up was automatic.
Hope this helps.

 

[needlongerlegs]

I'm typing this bollix with a PC coz I haven't worked out how easy my MAC is yet....

LOL,

Gezza you say your sharing files between the two? Wirelessly?

But can not get INTERNET on the Apple thingy (Nasty yuk yuk yuk ain't got time to understand them either LOL)

The PC needs to share its INTERNET connection wot OS do you have? 2000, XP easy ;earlier stuff to unreliable to use.

I presume your running tcp/ip between them? (am I talking Chinese?

The Apple needs to know what its default gateway dns bla bla bla is etc or use DHCP on WINBOX

To wireless clients can quite happerly "talk" to each other without base stations by turning them in to wireless tarts (promiscuous mode) one of my customers runs a training company of five PC's with no base station.

Too much typing give me a ring mate 44 (0) 1394 276246

Graham (Jedi Knight of Networks) LOL

www.parkernet.co.uk

 

[richie]

Yep wirelessly with tcp IP.

Tried to get the MAc on the net and it aint doing it. My problem is that I need to step back and work out how easy the MAC is to use. Its probably so simple I haven't been looking in the right place

I'll have a look tonight but first I'll need a couple of red wines....

 

[Tsiklonaut]

Hmm...

I have no experiences on home wi-fi.

But Apple menu -> System Preferences -> Sharing -> Windows Sharing =ON, doesn't work via wi-fi?

Turn Winza sharing on, it gives your mac address that you just have to type in winza explorer (network drive i think) and it mounts you a mac HD as "Z" (or you may choose other letter too) drive in explorer thingy and it works at least via cable, wi-fi sharing protocol should be the same if it's via wi-fi router.

Lemme know if it works, Margus

 

[richie]

Yahoo, after a few days and a few hours ferkin about with the PC and MAC it's now connecting to the PC and using the PC's connection to the net.

The only problem is I don't know how I did it and I'm not sure if I'll be able to do it again easily.

But for those of you who are interested I can now surf from my mac using the combined WIFI and Airport systems without a router..

I am happy especialy as the guy in the shop where I bought it said it was not possible...

 

[richie]

OK so here is the next question. How do I let Zonealarm know that its OK for my Mac to use the net. In fact I can't share files or the net unless I turn it off...

Any ideas...

Plus who has Office and or Macromedia they want to send me.... PLLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE

 

[boundless]

OK so here is the next question. How do I let Zonealarm know that its OK for my Mac to use the net. In fact I can't share files or the net unless I turn it off...

Any ideas...

Plus who has Office and or Macromedia they want to send me.... PLLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE

The IP address of your MAC is allocated dynamically each time it boots up on the LAN, but if you edit the range of IP adresses in Zonealarms "trusted"settings on the Windows PC's so that the last of the four sets of digits runs from 100 to 10n=1 (where n=the maximum number of workstations (MAC and PC both) possibly simultaeously logged on to your LAN) all will be fine.

 

[richie]

The IP address of your MAC is allocated dynamically each time it boots up on the LAN, but if you edit the range of IP adresses in Zonealarms "trusted"settings on the Windows PC's so that the last of the four sets of digits runs from 100 to 10n=1 (where n=the maximum number of workstations (MAC and PC both) possibly simultaeously logged on to your LAN) all will be fine.

Updated to Zonealarm pro as it would not work othgerwise and I don't like not having a firewall on the PC

This is getting to be FUN, I'll get my anorak