Yerra boy it's not logic we need - give us more of the emotive shite that keeps threads trundling along to their "conclusion" - the spot where we get terminally bored.
MAG Demo against P.T.I. ("N.C.T." for Bikes)
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Yerra boy it's not logic we need - give us more of the emotive shite that keeps threads trundling along to their "conclusion" - the spot where we get terminally bored.
Corporal Punishment
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No.....and you should really know this. Bikes behave differantly on the road than cars. 10 feet of gravel in the middle of a road will have little or no affect on a car. I've seen lads slide off or worse, high side as a result of loose crap on roads. Same goes for pot holes, they can cause damage to cars sure, but can cause a rider to lose control of a bike with tragic results. I can't believe I'm having to explain this on a bike forum.
phooey
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Why would you ride through a patch of gravel ( banked over presumably, as upright it would have almost no effect on you unless you hit the brakes ). Do you hare round blind bends hoping there will be nothing there you need to avoid ?
Just asking like.
Personally Folks If they Use "Common Sense in the testing of the motorcycles then I would agree
I.E.
Lights work/function correctly Dip to correct side?Check
Tyres Legal and safe?...........................................Check
Brakes working?....................................................Check
Brakes binding or worn?........................................Check
Chain/Sprockets not excessively worn?.................Check
Head Bearings adjusted properly...........................Check
Swingarm bearings Adjusted properly....................Check
Fuel tank carbs assembly sound not leaking...........Check
You get where I am coming from Sound sensible Checks that use real old fashioned common sense!
On the other-hand the ARSEHOLE that came up with a Headlamp alignment check needs a good boot in the Ballix (primarily cos the height stated is always blinding oncoming cars!)
Along with the uneducated twats who test bikes in the northern centres that tell me that a twin cable (push/pull) throttle has to spring back? Eh Hello why has it got a twist to close throttle cable then??
OR the one that Really really Does My Friggin napper in The twat that says that I MUST Have a Dual marked speedo with both sets of digits behind the glass and illuminated
My friend who rides a 125 to and from work was turned down for this! The rest of the little bike being mint!
Sorry for
But As you can see the system will never be perfect whilst some bunch of red tape pushing arses (or should that be Arsii) "thinks" that X needs to equal Y
I.E.
Lights work/function correctly Dip to correct side?Check
Tyres Legal and safe?...........................................Check
Brakes working?....................................................Check
Brakes binding or worn?........................................Check
Chain/Sprockets not excessively worn?.................Check
Head Bearings adjusted properly...........................Check
Swingarm bearings Adjusted properly....................Check
Fuel tank carbs assembly sound not leaking...........Check
You get where I am coming from Sound sensible Checks that use real old fashioned common sense!
On the other-hand the ARSEHOLE that came up with a Headlamp alignment check needs a good boot in the Ballix (primarily cos the height stated is always blinding oncoming cars!)
Along with the uneducated twats who test bikes in the northern centres that tell me that a twin cable (push/pull) throttle has to spring back? Eh Hello why has it got a twist to close throttle cable then??
OR the one that Really really Does My Friggin napper in The twat that says that I MUST Have a Dual marked speedo with both sets of digits behind the glass and illuminated
My friend who rides a 125 to and from work was turned down for this! The rest of the little bike being mint!
Sorry for
But As you can see the system will never be perfect whilst some bunch of red tape pushing arses (or should that be Arsii) "thinks" that X needs to equal Y
Phooey you need to come and see what they're talkin about
It is not uncommon here to use the tar and gravel to resurface c class roads etc unfortunately they tend to use stone that is local and is the same colour as last years covering You cannot see the new gravel due to the colour and it's only when your wheels starts movin you realise that you have a problem
It is not uncommon here to use the tar and gravel to resurface c class roads etc unfortunately they tend to use stone that is local and is the same colour as last years covering You cannot see the new gravel due to the colour and it's only when your wheels starts movin you realise that you have a problem
phooey
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Gotcha, point understood.
Thank you.
( I do plan to visit as we've family in S. Ireland ).
Be a bit poetic if I slid off on some
electric_monk
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Reread the first line of my post....
Now consider the following conversation I had with a former colleague of my wifes a couple of years ago.
When he found out that I was a qualified bike instructor he asked for my opinion on something that had happened the weekend before.
He was out for a run with 6 or 7 friends and one of then crashed on a bend after hitting a patch of gravel. He asked me if I felt his friend could sue the council. I asked if if he felt felt that he was a better rider than his friend he replied, No that his friend was the better rider in the group. So I asked him, Well if he is better than you and your friends why did the rest of you not crash?. IT took him a moment but he finally got the point, that although the road surface was indeed poor that it was possible to avoid the problem and that the problem lay with his friends dcision making, for one reason or another.
As motorcyclists we are sometimes (?) Guilty of not taking responsibility for our own actions.
I do completely agree that the lack of proper maintenance of the roads in our country borders on the criminally neglient.
And I DO know how bikes behave on the road, and cars and buses and trucks
Sorry for the thread hi-jack, now carry on there lads
Corporal Punishment
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I didn't intend for my reply to your post to come off as preachy and yes, I know you're a qualified instructor but
I don't think the incident with the group of riders really proves your point, especially if the faller had been leading
the group and the other riders witnessed his accident and were able to alter their own decision making as a result.
Anyhoo, personally, I'm not opposed to bike testing as long it's a genuine UK style mot and not a money spinning
racket like the NCT. My point was that in conjunction with a test, they should be spending money on making the roads
fit for purpose as they do in their current state contribute to bike accidents more than car accidents.
the civil one
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Uber alles !
I know better than most , how the " Testers " in the R.O.I can be absolute
assholes . A classic example is a car that Failed its nct for have the
county to Small on the No.Plate , It ment a round trip of 56 Mls and a
visual insp. Now where in gods name is the " Safety " aspect of this.
BUT ,, as a nation , as a people , our representitives are NOT at the
steering wheel . We `are basically the 17th District in the Father land now
and as they dictate , we obey.
Europe { Germany } dictates that to bring us into line with the rest of Europe , we "" Need "" to have our Bikes tested. Then that is the way its
going to be , regardless of who protests or even HOW MANY.
End of .
I know better than most , how the " Testers " in the R.O.I can be absolute
assholes . A classic example is a car that Failed its nct for have the
county to Small on the No.Plate , It ment a round trip of 56 Mls and a
visual insp. Now where in gods name is the " Safety " aspect of this.
BUT ,, as a nation , as a people , our representitives are NOT at the
steering wheel . We `are basically the 17th District in the Father land now
and as they dictate , we obey.
Europe { Germany } dictates that to bring us into line with the rest of Europe , we "" Need "" to have our Bikes tested. Then that is the way its
going to be , regardless of who protests or even HOW MANY.
End of .
Ah Phil ya just ruined the whole debate with all that German talk
the civil one
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If you think about it ,, Thats Basically what i am saying.
There is no debate , Its Done. Thats it.
Theres only one thing more dangerous than a drowning man.
Thats a hungry one.
Another Shower of cnuts , that collect a pay cheque on a friday.
whether they do , or dont. I loathe these cnuts. I spose if nothing else i provide them with entertainment . Dangerous fun , i can tell ye. Wankers.
And , no i am not having a go at "Public non Servants , that dont know their
place .
No
Con
Test!!!
Con
Test!!!
“If it truly improved rider safety - all would support it. It doesn’t!”
(Marc O’Loideoin, Chairman MAG Ireland)
MAG Ireland is holding a Demo:
To protest against the latest round of daftness coming from the E.U.
It’s a con job
They want an “NCT” For Bikes...
To fix a problem that doesn’t exist.
With a solution that won't work.
What is proposed is
Not workable - Not needed - Not wanted
Saturday September 22nd
Meet up at Wilton Terrace Dublin 2 from 11-30am
Leaving at 1pm sharp.
Meet up points at Cornelscourt - Balbriggan and Bikeworld (Long Mile Road/Naas Road)
see www.magireland.org for details.
Download the poster, print it and spread the word
Thanks folks.
Bump.
See here;
http://www.magireland.org/2012/campaigns/rwt/mag-ireland-no-con-test-demo-22nd-sept/
Note:
there will be meet up points for those coming from outside Dublin
Be there!
See here;
http://www.magireland.org/2012/campaigns/rwt/mag-ireland-no-con-test-demo-22nd-sept/
Note:
there will be meet up points for those coming from outside Dublin
Be there!
Be there!
We will, we will.....
I'll be at the Cornelscourt point from 11.15 if any of you from the southside / Wickla direction are attending
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Motorbikes in Italy have to undergo an NCT.
It is a tax nothing more.
It is a tax nothing more.
under the guise of the great god; Safety.
Elsewhere;
Belgium - no test
Bulgaria - no test
Cyprus - no test
Denmark - no test
Finland - no test
France - no test
Greece - no test
Malta - no test
Netherlands - no test
Portugal - no test
Norway - no test
crash stats due to 'technical failure' is no better in countries with a test than those without.
Due to
"circumstances beyond our control"
Marshalls urgently needed for this.
please get in touch with me a.s.a.p. if you can help.
~~~
Marc
"circumstances beyond our control"
Marshalls urgently needed for this.
please get in touch with me a.s.a.p. if you can help.
~~~
Marc
It's not even marshalling - just pointing out the direction to take at junctions etc. if/when the group gets seperated at traffic lights etc.
no fuss, just a signpost with a lid on.
please help folks - a little can do a lot on this.
no fuss, just a signpost with a lid on.
please help folks - a little can do a lot on this.
Update:
MAG Ireland "No Con Test" Demo - Latest Update:
Balbriggan meeting point IS CANCELLED as there is no MAG rep available to lead the group in. If you're coming from the North or North East, please make your way directly to the main assemply point at Wilton Terrace.
Other locations are confirmed as follows:
Longford - Texaco on the N5 at Longford Motors, Assembly from 9:45am, Departing 10:30am Sharp, aiming to be at Bikeworld for 12:15PM latest.
Dublin West - Bikeworld/Longmile Road, for people coming in from the West including the Longford run (11:15am on, Departing 12:15 approx. depending on Longford.)
Dublin South - Cornelscourt Shopping Center, for people coming in from the South - 11:15am on, Departing 11:45
IMPORTANT: As this demonstration is open to all motorcyclists, MAG members or not, participants take part entirely at their own risk and are expected to exercise due caution to avoid risk to themselves or others on the day.
MAG Ireland "No Con Test" Demo - Latest Update:
Balbriggan meeting point IS CANCELLED as there is no MAG rep available to lead the group in. If you're coming from the North or North East, please make your way directly to the main assemply point at Wilton Terrace.
Other locations are confirmed as follows:
Longford - Texaco on the N5 at Longford Motors, Assembly from 9:45am, Departing 10:30am Sharp, aiming to be at Bikeworld for 12:15PM latest.
Dublin West - Bikeworld/Longmile Road, for people coming in from the West including the Longford run (11:15am on, Departing 12:15 approx. depending on Longford.)
Dublin South - Cornelscourt Shopping Center, for people coming in from the South - 11:15am on, Departing 11:45
IMPORTANT: As this demonstration is open to all motorcyclists, MAG members or not, participants take part entirely at their own risk and are expected to exercise due caution to avoid risk to themselves or others on the day.
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