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Not sure where to put this ,but will be going on a 1200GSA so............

I want to get some maps to cover Germany Italy France etc

Is the Michelin 1:750.000 .....1cm 7.5 km the best choice

Wiggly back roads etc

I notice that they are all differing scales

France 1 cm :15 km
Germany 1 cm 7.5 Km etc

any advice please
 
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We used the Michelin Regional maps series (the ones with the orange covers) supplemented with the bigger scale red cover (national scale) ones.

Worked brilliantly last summer for our trip to Black Forest / Switzerland / Italy / France. The orange regional scale give plenty of detail.

We had a rough plan, but our evening camp and beerfest :beer: planned the next days route. These maps take up a surprising amount of space. I think we had 10 of the orange maps and a couple of red ones. There were 5 of us so we split the maps between us.

Ebay has loads of these maps form a couple of quid each. We got a couple from Amazon too if i remember right.
 
It's in the wrong place as it's a technical section but hey ho:blast

Michelin give plenty of detail of all the area's in my experience:thumb
 
:thumb2 for michelin maps.
the scenic roads are marked with green lines and i find the national maps are good enough for general route planning. you might just want the odd regional one for specific areas.
amazon are cheap enough
:beerjug:
 
Maps (like makes, styles and sizes of crash helmets) are personal things. What suits one person may not suit another and what suits one purpose may well not be suitable for another.

The answer to your question is: Go and look at some maps in a bookshop and find the one that suits your purpose.

I am an avid map collector, having well over 100 of assorted styles, places, regions and areas. Some I have bought before I set off, some I have bought when I was away. Some are of places I have never been to and may never go to.

Don't get too hung up on the scales, just for the sake of it. You can have two maps scaled at say 1:1000000 (1cm = 10km) showing vastly different detail. For instance, I have three maps just of France all at the scale 1:1000000 and all three are different.

(1) Michelin's 726 map. This is their classic route planning map of France. In it they have stripped out all the fine detail, entire roads, villages and towns are missing. But it shows all the motorways, the main roads and many of their suggested 'tourist routes'. It's great for plotting quick ways across a very big countries. It folds out into a single sheet, the whole country laid out.

(2) Michelin's mini-hand book of France, 'Atlas router'. It is spiral bound and will fit in the palm of your hand. The scale is the same as the map above but the detail is totally different., with many more smaller roads, town and villages shown. It's great just to put into a tank bag, or to look at over the breakfast table.

(3) Michelin 'France reversible'. Like, the 726 map, it's in a sheet form but quite detailed. But france is split in two along its equator; the north on one side, the south on the other. It's quite different to look at than either map (1) or (2)

I then have assorted detailed maps of each French region. These are at a scale of 1:2000000 (1cm = 2km) so one fifth of the scale of the maps above. The detail is very good but, depending on the map's orientation (and how it's set out) you may require 15 or more to cover the whole country. They are great if you want to go to just one place and if that place is near enough in the middle of the map. For instance, I have a set that are just the 17 'regions', for example Champagne-Ardenne centred on Challons-en-Champagne. It's great if I want to be based in the champagne region but useless if I want to be in Bordeaux.

Turning to Germany, the story repeats itself. I have the whole of Germany at a scale of 1:7500000 (1cm = 7.5km) and another of just the Black Forest at a scale of 1:2000000 (1cm = 2km). The latter map is made by the Motorrad magazine, so the 'great roads, mate' are all marked out for me. Great if I want to go to the Black Forest but I will need 20 of them to cover Germany in the same way. I then have some ADAC motorcycle touring maps of the same Black Forest region at some bizarre scale, with a lot of detail ripped out of it. It's great just to find their suggestions, but I would need another map to fill in the fine detail.

Austria, the same thing. I have the local Marco Polo maps, at a scale of 1:2000000 (1cm = 2km) which are highly detailed. They are so detailed that it makes my eyes hurt looking at them and it takes four or five to cover the country. I then have a Michelin map of the whole country (I forget the scale) and another that is Gerrmany and Austria combined.

Italy, the same story. A map of the whole country, then assorted Michelin regional maps at a scale of 1:200000 (1cm = 2km) of which there are 16 to cover the whole Italian peninsular, Sicily and Sardinia. I then have a Kompass map of just the Dolomites at a scale of 1:150000 (1cm = 15km) and a Tobacco map of the same Dolomite region at a scale of 1:500000 (1cm = 5km). The two Dolomite maps are totally and completely different to look at.

I then have the whole of Europe in a Michelin fold out map, at a scale of 1:3000000 (1cm = 30 km). Great if I want to go from Dublin, to London, to Stockholm, to Minsk, to Lisbon via Istanbul. But not so hot if I want to find that little twiddly road through the Cotswolds or that bit past Salzburg with the geat views.

So, find the map (or maps) that suit YOU and YOUR journey. You'll know it when you see it. Buy some more when you are where you want to go, if they are better or if you just happen to trip over a good map en-route. Pick up free ones in hotels and tourist offices. Find them in petrol stations, cafes and just about anywhere. Discover maps made 'by bikers for bikers', with suggestions of routes. Play around on the internet, Google maps, Google earth and Streetview can be quite fun if used properly but really hard to get any idea of scale from.

In short, have fun :thumb2
 
Not sure where to put this ,but will be going on a 1200GSA so............

I want to get some maps to cover Germany Italy France etc

Is the Michelin 1:750.000 .....1cm 7.5 km the best choice

Wiggly back roads etc

I notice that they are all differing scales

France 1 cm :15 km
Germany 1 cm 7.5 Km etc

any advice please

GPS? :thumb
 
You can quite easily get away without buying any maps. The much underused map tab on www.viamichelin.com has many options. Just drag the map around with your mouse, scroll it to set your preferred scale, from the drop down menus display gas stations, radars restaurants, ATMs etc etc - when you are done just hit the print option and you have your personal and perfect map on an A4 sheet

For touring it's neat to highlight your intended route, laminate maps back to back then round off the corners so they slide easily into a mapcase and stay in good shape

If you register on the site the maps can be saved:and if you are happy to share the email address and password your fellow riders can also download and print them

If Michelin could get their act together and improve the routing tool and GPS transfer options they would have the best mapping and touring facility by a country mile

Here is a sample for a forthcoming tour of the Extremadura region of Spain
 
Wot no maps!!

I confess to having and using a Zumo.
But I do all my planning on a map
I get excited when I open my map, I get out my map when my Zumo sends me the wrong way. There is something romantic about a map that google maps and a say nav doesn't give you.
 
Maps (like makes, styles and sizes of crash helmets) are personal things. What suits one person may not suit another and what suits one purpose may well not be suitable for another.

The answer to your question is: Go and look at some maps in a bookshop and find the one that suits your purpose.

I am an avid map collector, having well over 100 of assorted styles, places, regions and areas. Some I have bought before I set off, some I have bought when I was away. Some are of places I have never been to and may never go to.

Don't get too hung up on the scales, just for the sake of it. You can have two maps scaled at say 1:1000000 (1cm = 10km) showing vastly different detail. For instance, I have three maps just of France all at the scale 1:1000000 and all three are different.

(1) Michelin's 726 map. This is their classic route planning map of France. In it they have stripped out all the fine detail, entire roads, villages and towns are missing. But it shows all the motorways, the main roads and many of their suggested 'tourist routes'. It's great for plotting quick ways across a very big countries. It folds out into a single sheet, the whole country laid out.

(2) Michelin's mini-hand book of France, 'Atlas router'. It is spiral bound and will fit in the palm of your hand. The scale is the same as the map above but the detail is totally different., with many more smaller roads, town and villages shown. It's great just to put into a tank bag, or to look at over the breakfast table.

(3) Michelin 'France reversible'. Like, the 726 map, it's in a sheet form but quite detailed. But france is split in two along its equator; the north on one side, the south on the other. It's quite different to look at than either map (1) or (2)

I then have assorted detailed maps of each French region. These are at a scale of 1:2000000 (1cm = 2km) so one fifth of the scale of the maps above. The detail is very good but, depending on the map's orientation (and how it's set out) you may require 15 or more to cover the whole country. They are great if you want to go to just one place and if that place is near enough in the middle of the map. For instance, I have a set that are just the 17 'regions', for example Champagne-Ardenne centred on Challons-en-Champagne. It's great if I want to be based in the champagne region but useless if I want to be in Bordeaux.

Turning to Germany, the story repeats itself. I have the whole of Germany at a scale of 1:7500000 (1cm = 7.5km) and another of just the Black Forest at a scale of 1:2000000 (1cm = 2km). The latter map is made by the Motorrad magazine, so the 'great roads, mate' are all marked out for me. Great if I want to go to the Black Forest but I will need 20 of them to cover Germany in the same way. I then have some ADAC motorcycle touring maps of the same Black Forest region at some bizarre scale, with a lot of detail ripped out of it. It's great just to find their suggestions, but I would need another map to fill in the fine detail.

Austria, the same thing. I have the local Marco Polo maps, at a scale of 1:2000000 (1cm = 2km) which are highly detailed. They are so detailed that it makes my eyes hurt looking at them and it takes four or five to cover the country. I then have a Michelin map of the whole country (I forget the scale) and another that is Gerrmany and Austria combined.

Italy, the same story. A map of the whole country, then assorted Michelin regional maps at a scale of 1:200000 (1cm = 2km) of which there are 16 to cover the whole Italian peninsular, Sicily and Sardinia. I then have a Kompass map of just the Dolomites at a scale of 1:150000 (1cm = 15km) and a Tobacco map of the same Dolomite region at a scale of 1:500000 (1cm = 5km). The two Dolomite maps are totally and completely different to look at.

I then have the whole of Europe in a Michelin fold out map, at a scale of 1:3000000 (1cm = 30 km). Great if I want to go from Dublin, to London, to Stockholm, to Minsk, to Lisbon via Istanbul. But not so hot if I want to find that little twiddly road through the Cotswolds or that bit past Salzburg with the geat views.

So, find the map (or maps) that suit YOU and YOUR journey. You'll know it when you see it. Buy some more when you are where you want to go, if they are better or if you just happen to trip over a good map en-route. Pick up free ones in hotels and tourist offices. Find them in petrol stations, cafes and just about anywhere. Discover maps made 'by bikers for bikers', with suggestions of routes. Play around on the internet, Google maps, Google earth and Streetview can be quite fun if used properly but really hard to get any idea of scale from.

In short, have fun :thumb2

Now that is useful and interesting

You are partially forgiven for calling me a dummy :D
 
You can quite easily get away without buying any maps. The much underused map tab on www.viamichelin.com has many options. Just drag the map around with your mouse, scroll it to set your preferred scale, from the drop down menus display gas stations, radars restaurants, ATMs etc etc - when you are done just hit the print option and you have your personal and perfect map on an A4 sheet

For touring it's neat to highlight your intended route, laminate maps back to back then round off the corners so they slide easily into a mapcase and stay in good shape

If you register on the site the maps can be saved:and if you are happy to share the email address and password your fellow riders can also download and print them

If Michelin could get their act together and improve the routing tool and GPS transfer options they would have the best mapping and touring facility by a country mile

Here is a sample for a forthcoming tour of the Extremadura region of Spain

This is really good

Have yet to suss how to highlight route.......

me being a bit of a dummy :D
 
This is really good

Have yet to suss how to highlight route.......

me being a bit of a dummy :D

Well, let's guess....

He prints them out. Then he takes up one of these:

step11.gif



OR, MAYBE

He painstakingly feeds in the towns he wants to pass thro' into ViaMichelin, the route plots and highlights itself.... Providing it goes where he wants it to, he then prints it out.

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The big problem with relying on a PC is that you can't take it with you, nor does it give you any sense of scale. We see lots of bods coming onto UKGSer telling us that they have used Google maps or whatever who are then surprised it turns out to be a bloody long way.

Now, shift yer butt to Waterstones and look at some maps :thumb
 
Well, let's guess....

He prints them out. Then he takes up one of these:

step11.gif



OR, MAYBE

He painstakingly feeds in the towns he wants to pass thro' into ViaMichelin, the route plots and highlights itself.... Providing it goes where he wants it to, he then prints it out.

=====

The big problem with relying on a PC is that you can't take it with you, nor does it give you any sense of scale. We see lots of bods coming onto UKGSer telling us that they have used Google maps or whatever who are then surprised it turns out to be a bloody long way.

Now, shift yer butt to Waterstones and look at some maps :thumb

A highlander.... yep got one but its yellow :blast

Do you think it will be OK

I like maps
WATERSTONES !!!! this is the NORTH........... poundland :thumb
 
.... yep got one but its yellow :blast

Do you think it will be OK

Maybe.

Tell you what, be daring and try..... :D

WATERSTONES !!!! this is the NORTH........... poundland :thumb

Lucky you. They burnt the Poundland shops down here in the riots. No doubt in righteous indignation at having such a shop clutterin' up da hood, when there's could be a Foot Locker or Nike store, sellin' fings wot der yoof want, like.

Enjoy your maps :beerjug:
 


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