mapsource beginner - can't see minor roads in Mapsource

FatBob

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I just took delivery of a new Zumo 660 with the latest European maps. I installed mapsource on the PC but I can't get it to show minor roads. I zoomed in and set the detail level to max but it didn't make any difference. It shows the roads around the tiny village in the midlands where my parents live but doesn't show many B roads where I am. There are dots for villages with no roads going to them!

The map in unlocked and has the 25 character key according to the mapsource menu, although I'm not sure how it got unlocked. The online unlock process didn't work because I don't have the 8 charcter code that it wanted, but the mapsource Help implied that my version might already have been unlocked.

I'm not sure exactly what version of the map it is, 2010? I haven't done an update yet.

What am I doing wrong? I assume these minor roads must in be in the map somewhere, they show up on the Zumo.
 
I think you just need to zoom in more in Mapsource...click on the magnifying icon top of screen and drag an area to zoom in until the B roads appear on screen. top left hand corner of the screen will show you what version map you are using. If not showing click on view "show toolbars" and tick them
 
Even on highest setting the roads sometrimes dont appear - a good way to show em is to use the route plan button and click from one place to another with no roads on it and see what comes up, it often shows lanes that at first you could not see
 
Please explain why, I got the impression they were virtually useless for anything but showing people how to get to B&Q or their Mums house :D

Whatton, can't you let the man show his ignorance without making snide comments? He has every right to look foolish if he chooses to do do!:augie
 
Whatton, He has every right to look foolish if he chooses to do do!:augie

Chooses to dodo more like :D

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I fiddled with the settings and it seems to be OK now. Not sure what fixed it, it might have been the "show/hide GPS map data" option or something like that.

Cheers.
 
i'm with old Chris, stick it on the bike punch in the destination and away you go, no feckin about with pc's / disc's / zoomin in/complicated software but then i am IT (retired)
Mates got a 550 and i was going to get one but when it took 20 mins at the side of the road to get it to avoid motorways (and he's IT not retired) bollix to that, why make it complicated when it don't need to be :nenau. bring it on the Garmin possy :D
 
i'm with old Chris, stick it on the bike punch in the destination and away you go, no feckin about with pc's / disc's / zoomin in/complicated software but then i am IT (retired)
Mates got a 550 and i was going to get one but when it took 20 mins at the side of the road to get it to avoid motorways (and he's IT not retired) bollix to that, why make it complicated when it don't need to be :nenau. bring it on the Garmin possy :D

20 minutes?! :rolleyes:

I've just got my first Garmin (and first satnav) - a second hand 2720.

Took me about 20 seconds playing with the menu's to get it to avoid motorways and set it up to my liking. Seems a pretty intuitive, easy to learn interface to me :nenau
 
Please explain why, I got the impression they were virtually useless for anything but showing people how to get to B&Q or their Mums house :D

OK, I'm, no expert, so at risk of seriously compounding my foolishness, here we go !!

Garmin are the original and definitive GPS manufacturer. They started out in the avaiation and marine market. The software for this application is not as complicated as that needed for roads. I suspect that when moving into the street applications they just adjusted the software they were already using. This shows in the speed of screen updates and sometimes jerky appearence of the maps.

TomTom are the new "kid on the block" who started out writing software for hand held units, particularly Psion. Their first GPS, the navigator, went on sale in 2003. In 2004 they launched the TomTom Go which was designed to be intuitive in use and work straight out of the box, hence the name. The software was designed for street navigation from the start.

Any unit is only as good as the mapsource and data contained within it, Garmin use Navteq (both US based). Tomtom use Tele Atlas (both EU based). (incidently, the Rider 1 used Navteq) So which is best? There is huge and varied opinion on this, much seems to depend on where you live and which company has the most recent updates for your area. A straw poll and trawl on the net seems to come down on the side of TomTom, particularly in the EU, but not inclusively (see reivew in US here,) http://www.gpsreview.net/navteq-vs-tele-atlas/
A recent review in RIDE Magazine also confirms this "The TomTom found all our addresses and routed us to our destinations quickly without any trouble, even knowing a cross-country short cut to miss out a town that is usually jammed, which was impressive,". Meanwhile "the Garmin struggled with one of our rural addresses that had no postcode........and didn't take a cross-country short cut that the TomTom did".

Recently TomTom made a bid of 2 billion Euros for TeleAtlas Mapping, Garmin entered the bidding war to try to block this but fell out after TomTom's bid of 2.9 billion. TomTom now own TeleAtlas. More recently they have signed an agreement with Google for the use of the maps in Google mapping. Google are looking at the hugh market for Mobilephone/GPS applications and obviously wanted the best. (maybe Google will buy out TT next). TomTom have the advantage of millions more users who are constantly posting map corrections on the net which helps them keep more upto date, particularly with things like oneway street changes and pedestrian walkways etc. Which again is confirmed in the RIDE report "It wasn't fooled by pedestrian areas and one-way city streets either; it's a faultless destination finder,"

On a more personal note, during a recent trip to Spain and Morocco with a dozen bikes there were about 6 Garmins and 1 TomTom. Leaving out Morocco as none of us had map data, althought the Garmins could have had if they had looked on here in Tim Cullis's Morocco pages, the TomTom was better in all respects, ie. route finding, hotel locating. Those without satnav started out following the Garmins, but after a few days I noticed that they had migrated across and were now behind me, particularly in the city centers after one Garmin was had by the police in spain after going the wrong way down a one-way street.

None of the units were faultless, even the TT got it wrong from time to time. Some of the problems seemed to stem from the fact that the users, some of them at least, were not familiar with the menu's and functions. So my advise, for what its worth, to any model user would be to take time out to play with it and get fully familiar with what it can and can't do, and check the route it has selected against a map before you set off, (easy to do with a TT) don't just follow it blindly.

I believe that because Garmin stands for GPS, like Hoover stands for cleaning carpets, then there is a biase towards them. Even RIDE made them the overall winner by 1 point in their review because they claimed the Garmin had a much superior ease of use. Which is not true, and even if it were what good is ease of use if thing dosn't know where you want to go?

The Scala Rider bluetooth headset free with the TT is good and has a great battery life, if never needed recharging all the 3 weeks I was away.

If you want to connect to Autocom then the Garmin is easier.

If you are still not sure which is best then just look at the price.

OC.
 
Can you route plan on a PC with a TomTom :nenau

Yes you can. With TomTom home, a programme that comes with it, or with shareware, ie free, but they ask for a donation if you like it, programmes like TYRE, which are easily available on tinternet.
 
TomTom Rider 2 - incredibly easy to use, and always finds the address... but I can't use Mapsource to plan routes.

Garmin BMW Nav II - can't even find my home address! Even with the latest update DVD.

So at the moment I use 'em both... which isn't ideal :blast

I'm sure the answer is to buy a brand new 550 or 660.

But tbh I just can't be bothered faffing about with yet another sat nav!!!
 
Thanks.

I left out the worst aspects, lock codes et al, as they had been eloquently covered by you, and any trawl of this forum would confirm your comments. Even the original questioner admits on here that its "a can of worms".
 
Right here we go my 10p worth,

My work 3 years a go decided to get GPS for finding addreses.
I worked on our 'in house' software, the guy would be sent a sms link tap on the link with details it would aoutomaticly boot up TT & plan the most direct & quickest route.
We tryed it with Garmen as well but just did not like it, & Garmen was hardly intrested.
TT sold us 4000 GPS Nav blutooth recivers & software to install into the PDA XDAIIi, we have used this so far without any problems whatsoever.

we recently updated to a custom built PDA/Phone/GPS Nav works just fine with TT.

I am in the process of deciding on what to get, I am seriously thinking of using TT Rider as it will be very simler to what I already have, however I have looked here http://www.pocketgpsworld.com I have added a few custom apps
& freebe POI's
 
Some of the problems seemed to stem from the fact that the users, some of them at least, were not familiar with the menu's and functions. So my advise, for what its worth, to any model user would be to take time out to play with it and get fully familiar with what it can and can't do, and check the route it has selected against a map before you set off, (easy to do with a TT) don't just follow it blindly.

I think that you've hit the nail on the head there - knowing how to use your GPS (and all of its functions) is likely to make a bigger difference to the unit's performance that the difference between manufacturers and mapping suppliers.

On a separate note, some of the Garmin units 'learn' how fast you ride on different road types and will route you according to which is the fastest route for you. I've certainly sat al the side of a German motorway with another Garmin 2610 user with the same map set going to the same place. His GPS said one way, mine another (but Speggo is quite a slow rider :augie)

Driving the wrong way up one way streets is presumably done by the very same people who drive down railway tracks and rivers!

Greg
 


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