Master V Whoos? Help needed

Jacal

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I bought the above jacket 22 months ago and the trousers a month after (couldn't afford them both together) After a year the trousers leaked and were replaced by Hein Gerrick, they said that their Gortex clothing isn't guaranteed by them but by Gortex? but because I had had them for such a short time they would just swap them.

The jacket has now decided to fray around the breast pocket and the inner red zip broke so I toke them back to HG at Leeds where I bought them from and they said they would repair them, when asked how they repaired fraying he said he didn't know Hmmm..I gave them explicit instruction that I didn't want them to just cut the fraying away as I believed that that would just put the inevitable off and it would just damage the jacket further!

They assured me that they wouldn't do this and a repair would be done if possible and if not the jacket would be replaced.

A week later with no phone call from them I rang and was informed that the jacket had been repaired and was ready for collection, I asked how they had managed the repair on the pocket and was told he didn't know. :blast

When I went to the shop to collect it, I inspected the jacket and YEP you've guessed it,they have not only cut what was fraying but the material is now cut back to the stitching! I can only presume that the fraying just kept coming away.

When I told the manager that they had not repaired it BUT done exactly what I said not to and when we compared it to a new jacket it was obvious, when faced with this, he's reply was that it was 22 month's old and was down to wear and tear and they didn't cover that in the guarantee, I pointed out how many times this had been worn and he repeated the same but said he would send it to his boss for inspection.

I have now received a letter informing me that the fraying to the pocket is down to wear and tear which they don't cover, no mention of going against my instruction and making the mater worse!

The jacket is 22 month's old, it cost £475, in that time I have used it on average once a week (if I'm lucky on a Sunday) So 22 x 4 = 88, take away the recent bad weather, I haven't been on the bike in over 2 months, leaves a total of 80 times used and this it not taking into account the times I used my air suit and the occasions when I couldn't get out due to other circumstances, weather/work.

Thanks if you have read so far BUT what do you think? Do I have any recall?

£475 for a jacket that starts to fall apart after been worn less than 80 times? Why do you spend the best part of £500 if not for peace of mind, it's all different from what I was told when sold the suite!
 
Without seeing pics of the before/after - it's dificult to comment on what should have been done by way of a repair (if that was indeed- possible).

It begs the question - if a helmet was returned with a slightly frayed chin-strap.............. would they cut off the chinstrap? :blast

Go back and tell them that they have irretrievably-damaged the jacket by way of their repair - and ask for a replacement.

Al:)
 
Cheers Al, they even wrote on the repair note to "ADVISE" when I stressed that they didn't cut off the fraying....BUT they still went ahead!
 
I realize this is no actual help, but HG have made themselves look like idiots here :blast
 
Cheers Tom, I have spoken to Trading Standards and their advice was to get the jacket inspected by a independent expert to verify if the material as been cut, it all helps if goes to court but if I can prove they went against my wishes and did cut the material, then they are at fault.

I have it in writing, where on the bottom of the 'Warranty Claim Form' they put 'Inspect and Advise'

Apparently the guarantee isn't worth the paper it's wrote on! they can use the "wear and tear" card whenever they want and more than likely most people will just walk away....I WON'T!
 
Spoke to their customer service manager on friday and he asked for time to speak to Trading standers, He's Just got back to me and said that the fault is down to wear and tear but that they did have a problem regards cutting the material. (unauthorized)

HG obligation is to effect a repair , which we have agreed cannot be done or replace it with a jacket of the same age, which he hasn't got and I wouldn't accept, or to give me some kind of voucher at an agreed sum....Bloody hell!! This is hard work trying to get some kind of right from a company that has very little morals!

I think you know what my answer was....A polite and FIRM NO!
 
That is a pisser and from what you've described it's not wear and tear it sounds identical to a fault on a friends jacket which appeared after only having been worn a few times and at less than 3 months old.

I know Gericke gear is praised widely but it doesn't cut the mustard with after service because there is too much scope for difference between stores as it's a franchise. That's where dare I say it Rukka wins hands down.

Gericke used to be cheap and reasonable quality which meant it was fine to buy, wear out, and then replace as it was cheap to start with, they've progressively come up to Rukka price while their quality has gone down & backup is quite simply just not good enough, that's why I stopped buying anything from them. I've got a pair of Goretex Gericke trousers that are now about 8yrs old that's the last piece if Gericke gear I bought, and in fairness they're still working well. But anything I looked at after that was too expensive for the quality so for the same or little more I'll but another brand thanks.

HG head office will do anything to get out of it there may be decent staff there but no-one I know has ever dealt with them ! But do persist and let us know the outcome.
 
Slightly off topic...but I had a silimiar situation with a faulty folding bike recently....

....I used it a lot, almost daily, and in all weathers...and that is actually quite unusual, as a folding bike, and folded with every use.

As time went on the folding mechanism became more and more stiff, until eventually it seized.

The dealer offered to try and repair it free of charge.

In the meantime I found out this wasn't an isolated incident( a bit like your jacket by the sounds of it), and that it was a fault with some of the frames on certain models.

The problem being that the distrubuters who my dealer bought it off no longer dealt with the brand, so washed their hands of it, the new distributers had not sold the bike, so had no involvement in the sale...so this left the dealer, and me, stuck in the middle.

The dealer tried to repair it, but failed, and knew a fix wouldn't last long.

He offered me a full refund...which was great of him...but now I needed to buy a new bike, and as you know prices have risen on everything recently so I was left having to fork out again after a year, for something I had expected to last 6/10 years.....

...the result he sourced me an exchange bike free of charge!

I know this doesn't help you.....but I would just say stick to your guns.

The jacket is faulty, and as it is wear and tear it is a dodgy area....but their 'repair' has now damaged the jacket.

As for the remark about would they cut off a frayed starp on a helmet if it was frayed??......if it is an Arai, they would replace it free of charge the first time it happened, I think I'm right in saying regardless of age.


I would hold out for a goodwill exchange for their incompatence!...a shame cos Hein Gericke are normally spot on in my experience.

Good Luck. :thumb2
 
I use to really rate HG stuff, but when they started selling the reject stuff at the BMF show like Frank Thomas have done for many years It kind of shows you the real quality of some of it.

One of the most comon faults on their jackets seems to be the material fraying, i just doesn't seem to be up to the job.

To be honest I won't buy any of it now, unless its at the BMF show, where I'm a lot less concerned over the quality when its only £40. Got one of their hi viz ones for £40 a couple of years ago, only fault I've ever found is small bit of stitching coming undone. Used it quite a bit, only for night time rides or winter motoway rides, but still sound so far.
 
I've got two Master V suits (one crash damaged, so is a emergency spare).

Sounds like you've been very unlucky with 'em. I've worn my current one nigh-on daily for 14mths in every weather condition available covering around 40K miles. The now spare Master V set is older and done more miles than the 2nd one.

Neither suit has ever leaked, frayed or done anything other keep me dry etc.

I'll admit HG's after-care is one of the worst I've ever come across and if I buy another goretex suit it will not be from HG.

Reason?

The protectors in the suit have an obvious weakness and with wear and tear two of 'em broke. HG took nearly 3 weeks to arrange a spare jacket which I could use whilst the affected jacket would be sent away (!?); the spare jacket was some white Turaeg thing, I told 'em I'm not accepting a jacket lesser than the one I already had.

I went to another HG store, explained the sitaution and they promised to sort it out (I'd just spent a few quid with 'em). Well, you can guess. Nothing.

So, to all you HG store owners, as you're incapable of providing any after-care service, I'm now incapable of purchasing anything from you to save me the bother. I'm buying BMW or Rukka next time.

I've never spent another penny in HG since and never will again.
 


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