Mobile phone or SatNav?

Many threads in here, mostly by Wapping on the topic. He recently posted about using a sacrificial phone with MRA, comparing to a Garmin running at the same time.

I have an ageing Zumo 390. It worked perfectly in France recently but it rarely agreed with my mate's Zumo XT on routes. This device is still supported with map updates but when it is no longer supported or dies, I am likely to go down the sacrificial phone route. There is a wide range of rugged phones with big screens that can be bought new for upwards of £100. I already use a Lebara SIM in my regular phone as mentioned in the article and I think the wireless charging mount permanently fixed to the bike is a good idea.
I've dabbled with a free version of MRA when routes have been shared so would probably buy the lifetime bundle with route planner and navigation app.
 
He recently posted about using a sacrificial phone with MRA, comparing to a Garmin running at the same time.


and lots by Mzokk, too.
 
My goto is Google maps for multi-waypoint routes and Waze for the commute, via an Android Auto head unit.
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with a decent GPS device (such as a Garmin or TomTom) nor, particularly, with a phone.

I was for many years a big fan of Garmin devices and their two route creation tools, MapSource and then BaseCamp. It was only when BaseCamp became very flakey on my Mac and / or I moved over to a Garmin XT1, that I started to use MyRoute for creating my bespoke routes.

Moving over to MyRoute and at the same time having a bike with BMW’s own in-house navigation app, was as good a time as any to start using a phone too, not least as I could then;

A. Use MyRoute’s very good Navigation app.

B. Send bespoke routes I had created in MyRoute, straight to my XT1, via the Garmin Connect app

In short, two separate devices, both working together seamlessly.

What I was reluctant to do was use my expensive iPhone as my only form of navigation. Why? If I lost the phone or smashed its screen, not only have I lost the phone but I have lost my way of navigating myself to wherever it is I want to go. Yes, I have maps, but….

I therefore bought a sacrificial iPhone, with no SIM card inserted. I was also obliged to buy a sacrificial Android phone, as my 1600’s cubbyhole / charger is too small to accept a modern iPhone. That and the 1600’s own WiFi system didn’t play nicely with an iPhone.

Since then I have used:

A. My XT1 on its own.

B. My sacrificial iPhone on its own.

C. Both together.

A and B are both running, often quite complicated, bespoke routes. I rarely, if ever, use either device for “Take me from here to there” as I might do in say my car.

Both A and B function very well together or separately. Yes. each have their quirks and foibles, but I have not been plagued by the horror stories one reads on these pages.

All I can suggest is that you try them both and chose which best suits you, not what suits me or anyone else.

PS I don’t play music, make / receive calls / talk to my mum / read texts or any of that ‘Must do / must have’ malarkey. If that is important to you… go right ahead.
 
These days my biking is limited to Scottish finest back roads, I do carry a mobile for phone calls only, and an old no sim card mobile which has updated Google maps of Scotland and isles on it.
I head out and try new roads, to see where they lead me. Sometimes dead ends, with a farm out building, the only visible sign life once flourished there.

As an old type truck driver I used and relied on hand held road Maps to keep me right, jotting down safest routes to take, and never having to rely on a Sat-nav. devices that would lead me to a low bridge or single track road which my Artic unit and trailer would never have managed to get around.

I prefer my eyes on the road, stopping in a safe zone to check position I now find myself in, the stops also helps with numb bum syndrome, time for an off bike wonder, some pics, and then a fresh brew up, and further read of maps too process further endeavors.
 
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A little further to Wapping’s experience above, I’ve recently come back from a tour visiting Luxembourg and Belgium using the BMW Connected App on my 2024 R1250RT. I plotted routes using MRA, exported them into the above seamlessly (GPX 1.1) and it worked pretty well. I used Basecamp for many years and whilst it was pretty good, MRA is better and easier to use. I’d recommend it

A couple of slight issues -

i. as always the actual route indicated to me at times differed from riding pals who were using BMW Navigators 5 and 6 and also a TomTom - this is not a surprise as even similar devices can differ in their routing I’ve found

ii. Using my IPhone as the ‘source’ of the mapping I had to ensure that almost all background app refreshing was disabled to allow the BMW Connected App to remain ‘at the front’ on my phone. If not, an app would refresh or a notification would arrive onto my phone and the mapping on the TFT would disappear (usually a the most inconvenient time). This usually meant either stopping to reload the App or more dangerously trying to do it whilst riding!

iii. I found that the Connected App display on the TFT was not customisable in that it did not allow me to display the range on info I preferred - current and next roads, distance to next turn etc

Minor problems but it persuaded me to go down the smart screen, Car Play route so that I can use the MRA Navigator. Thankfully, apart from above, I did not experience any of the dropping out problems much complained about in the early days of the App.

I have no doubt that if they wanted to BMW could vastly improve their App to make it as good as any other navigation device. Similarly, if they wanted to they could also allow CarPlay in the way that, e.g. Honda have done

Time will tell if I’ve made the right decision. If I have great, if not I still have the BMW App, my Garmin XT and my IPhone showing MRA to fall back on

Edit - one further thought , in Ghent last week the Connected App routing brought us up to a road closure with no obvious signposted diversion. Despite forcing it to re-route a couple of times we still ended up at the same closure and couldn’t get to our hotel. Google maps on my IPhone (and Quadlock) to the rescue and it routed us through some narrow back streets and to the hotel. This would have been equally as easy with a device offering CarPlay - another advantage
 
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I use both a Garmin XT and an iphone running MRA

I tend to make all my routes on a PC but they are pretty easy to edit/update/modify on the iphone if I want to when out on the road trip wih the app.
(I have lifetime subscription for the MRA pc and the phone APP)
I send them to my XT though Garmin Drive as I find its much easier to read and its permanently powered whilst on the bike and works regardless of signal/conditions once its on its little navigation mission with a route.

-the iphone I plug in when needed to a usb socket near the bars for power. I dont make calls on the go, listen to music or any of that malarkey.
Sometimes I might have both running at the same time on the nav mount! (yes, overkill), mostly I use just the Garmin, other times just the iphone.
Very rarely do I ever ask for the fastest route from A to B on the bike but when I do - I always use the iphone and just select Google Maps !

MRA I find excellent to use for the planning part on my pc.
I stopped using Basecamp etc years ago
If the Garmin (when) dies a death, very doubtful I will replace it.
 
Like Wessie I hadn't used anything more modern than a Zumo 340 and 390 before I started using my Zumo XT in 2022 (my wife bought it for me as a retirement present). I'd never thought too much about the mechanics of navigation. I used Mapsource with an old Garmin 2610 and transferred to Basecamp when I started using a NAV IV and the Zumo 3XX units. As long as you had the route settings the same on Basecamp as on the earlier Nav IV and NT Zumo units then what you produced on Basecamp would be reflected in the route on the NAV IV or the Zumo 340-390. Simple.

The only issue with these units was the requirement to carry a device that could run basecamp if you wanted to create new routes on tour. Or go through the interface on the unit which tends to be slow and frustrating.

Not so with the XT. The routing algorithm was changed to mean "Faster time" now means faster roads and this means that extra work is required (more strategically placed shaping points) to ensure that what you intend in Basecamp (or MRA) is reflected in the route produced in the unit. The unit drove me nuts until I got to grips with it and this change.

The process of "getting to grips with it" was not helped by the Online software to support the Zumo XT unit, "Explore" which purports to sync routes that you have created or imported to your online Garmin account with your Zumo XT unit. It should be good.....but. Its a crap system just don't connect to it. I've tried a couple of times to use it (documented on this site somewhere) and its an exercise in frustration and futility.

Garmins other support product for the Zumo XT is "drive" which connects your unit to your phone for all sorts of warnings and alerts (most of which I've turned off due to inaccuracy) but importantly you can easily transfer GPX files from your phone to the Zumo XT device and this works very well.

In 2023 I started using MRA for planning routes and the then newly created Navigation app for navigation on a two week trial. I was so impressed (and there was an offer on of 99 euros for both products) that I bought lifetime "Gold" membership and am glad I did. The route planning aspect of the system has always been top notch and for me has the following advantages.

MRA route planner.

1. Quick easy and intuitive to use as a (reasonably competent) basecamp user it's much easier to get your head around than that software.
2. You don't need a device capable of running basecamp while on tour to plan routes just an internet connection (and if not maps downloaded onto a phone or tablet)
3. This give the option of easily creating routes on the fly.
4. You can download the routes to your phone and send them to your ZumoXT using Garmin "Drive" app on your phone.
5. For old garmin units with no "Drive" app you can connect your (Android in my case) phone to the unit using a garmin cable and USB A-C adapter and transfer routes directly to the unit files in Android can "see" the Zumo file system (documented on this site somewhere). I use this method with my Zumo 340 and 390. And for the groups of riders I ride with on tours.
6. You have a backup of all your routes on the MRA website (or your phone if you have the navigation app and sync your route library see below)

The things that the software doesn't handle as well as Basecamp are.

1. Poi's.....but I'm working on this to make it better for me and can still use basecamp/poi loader
2. Tracks. Don't use them often and I can still use basecamp.
3. Offroad routes. Don't do off road so its not important to me.

None of which are show stoppers for me the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages.

MyRoute app Navigation next phone app.

In 2023 this was still very much a work in progress but i was interested in it because it runs both on the phone and in Android Auto. This was of interest to me because I currently ride a Honda Africa Twin and this has an Android Auto screen (ironically made by Garmin :D) that I could connect my phone to and run GPX routes on a 6.5 inch screen, which you can toggle back and forward between phone maps and bike information and navigate the map with the many buttons on the left hand switch cluster on the Honda.

Long story short the app was a bit glitchy at the start and certain phones rapidly overheated in its use or run down the battery. It made the phones I tried it on hot (a Motorola G7/G8 and Neo Edge 40) but they kept charge and didn't stop working. It has rapidly improved over the last couple of years. By about August 2024 I would have been happy to use it as my Navigation device on the phone and by late 2024/early 2025, I started to use it as my main navigation device using Android Auto. The warmest temperatures I've used it in June 2025 was 33 Celsius with a Motorola Neo Edge 40 (screen off) in a bar bag and the phone was fine and displayed the route and instructions on the Honda screen. The latest iterations of the app have been much better for energy consumption and the Honda has a gps antenna (remember its a Garmin unit) built into the screen which I think reduces the load on the phone.

Advantages of the app.

1. The navigation app has its own stand alone route planning functionality which works even if there is no internet connection (as long as you have downloaded the required maps), and when there is it will sync with your route library.
2. I sync my complete route library with my phone so that I have all my routes available wherever I am; they are on my phone and in the cloud. I can select any of the routes through the Android Auto interface on the Honda screen when I connect my phone to the bike.
3. The routes you run are the routes you planned there is no recalculation required.
4. Using Android Auto the phone is tucked away on a bar bag, or my pocket, with little vibration.

Finally. You have much more flexibility with a phone. I've used it in three hire cars in the last year and have used MRA to plot multiple stop routes instead of Google maps. I often use Google maps for point to point navigation and with a headset or in a car you just say "Hey google take me to......." and off you go.

All that said I'm also using OSMand+ for navigation. Its great on the bike and would be fantastic for an offroader its very stable and runs on humble hardware.............but it has a long and frustrating learning curve. My Route app route planner and navigation app are way easier to use.....though basecamp and MRA route planner play well with OSMAnd+

Hope this is useful.......it has been for me. The rains now off and I'm off for a walk :D
 


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