Model year 2017 gearbox

[Nikonnigel]

It allows/encourages people to change their bikes after a couple of years therefore puts more second hand bikes on the market thus lowering the price. Supply and demand.

thank you saved me typing that

 

[Wrinkly]

Sorry, that's utter rubbish. You only get a decent trade-in at a BMW dealer. The GS is a popular bike in the UK and part of the reason is the easily affordable PCP payments. You'd be surprised how few people have £15-16K in cash lying around. Added to worries about warranty not covering the very expensive all-in-one ESA shocks after 30K miles and the lure of a new machine a lot of people chop it in for a new one. As you so succinctly put it, the law of supply and demand - loads more come on the market, making it that much harder to realise a decent second hand price or trade in. Remember when the RT rear shock went down and BMW shipped out loads of GSes as loan bikes that went back into supply at the dealer? I had a GS to trade at that time and not one dealer wanted one. Showrooms are still loaded with 13 and 14 plate GSes, some priced down as low as ex off road skills machines. Already some dealers are going the way of the rest of the bike market with loads of pre-reg bikes to boost sales targets. This has always happened to Honda or Suzuki but they're now knocking out some bikes £1000-£1500 or more off list with zero miles. Rewind 5 years or so and this just wasn't happening.
Now, pop round to your friendly non-BMW dealer with a one-year-old GS and see excellent residuals in action!

Totally agree.

STONEHENGE... Could you please let me know where the 'Heavily discounted' Triumphs are.

Cheers.

 

[GFJ]

Totally agree.

STONEHENGE... Could you please let me know where the 'Heavily discounted' Triumphs are.

Cheers.

Keep an eye on fowlers in Bristol. They seemed to have a lot on offer at one point (along with ktm 1050s iirc)

 

[Santa-2512]

I was talking today to a friend who has an 08 GSA, His mate has just picked up a 17 plate.

First thing he said was how smooth the gearbox was, when asked whats it like

Mart

 

[Wonkey donkey]

Not so. This would only be the case if BMW were the only ones to offer PCP. All manufacturers do, so the potential PCP sales are the same for all. As BMW do not heavily discount (like Triumph for instance), their machines retain a healthy resale value irrespective of how they were purchased. Consequently, the PtEx values also remain high in comparison.

But the p/X values would be higher still if there were less bikes for sale, supply and demand. Pcp means people generally don't keep their bikes as long as they used to so more are available which must surely drive the prices down some?

 

[Moose]

Added to worries about warranty not covering the very expensive all-in-one ESA shocks after 30K miles and the lure of a new machine a lot of people chop it in for a new one.

Please can you educate me - why is it 'better' from a warranty aspect to have a bike on PCP?

 

[Pansmiker]

But the p/X values would be higher still if there were less bikes for sale, supply and demand. Pcp means people generally don't keep their bikes as long as they used to so more are available which must surely drive the prices down some?

When have you gone into a dealer and he has said that in 20,000 miles and 4 years i will guarantee to give you £x,xxx for your bike regardless of what happens in the market place? Well that is exactly what happens with a PCP.

Many people on this forum complain about their "BMWs" bad gearboxes, the old one I have is more reliable, poor paint finish, rusty spokes, expensive to repair ESA, etc etc and I would say that they would do more to drive down future part-ex prices than PCP do or would do.

IF BMW make such crap bikes then someone guaranteeing the future value for you is a god send. Therefore PCP is a good way to go.

 

[Wonkey donkey]

When have you gone into a dealer and he has said that in 20,000 miles and 4 years i will guarantee to give you £x,xxx for your bike regardless of what happens in the market place? Well that is exactly what happens with a PCP.

Many people on this forum complain about their "BMWs" bad gearboxes, the old one I have is more reliable, poor paint finish, rusty spokes, expensive to repair ESA, etc etc and I would say that they would do more to drive down future part-ex prices than PCP do or would do.

IF BMW make such crap bikes then someone guaranteeing the future value for you is a god send. Therefore PCP is a good way to go.

They will price the guarantee based on expected supply and demand so more bikes will likely equal lower guarantees, you need to take your rose tinted glasses off for a minute. Not knocking PCP but it will put more 2-3 yr old bikes onto the market which will lower the price people get as P/X.

 

[Nutty]

They will price the guarantee based on expected supply and demand so more bikes will likely equal lower guarantees, you need to take your rose tinted glasses off for a minute. Not knocking PCP but it will put more 2-3 yr old bikes onto the market which will lower the price people get as P/X.

Who cares? If the residuals are lower, just negotiate a better deal when you want to change. Simple.

 

[Roymondo]

I was talking today to a friend who has an 08 GSA, His mate has just picked up a 17 plate.

First thing he said was how smooth the gearbox was, when asked whats it like

Mart

No surprises there, as his 08 bike is a hexhead, which has a totally different clutch and gearbox. The OP is talking about improvements in the latest incarnation of the water-cooled models over earlier WC bikes.

Sent using smoke and mirrors

 

[Pansmiker]

They will price the guarantee based on expected supply and demand so more bikes will likely equal lower guarantees, you need to take your rose tinted glasses off for a minute. Not knocking PCP but it will put more 2-3 yr old bikes onto the market which will lower the price people get as P/X.

There can only be a glut in the future, of 2/3 year old bikes, if more are sold to day. BMW haven't sold thousands more GS's so there you go

 

[TunturiSport]

Dear sirs and mss, I would kindly suggest returning to the original question: is the model year 2017 gearbox better than those of earlier water cooled R1200gs. My story is this: In 2013 my trustworth R1200GSA
from year 2006 got 80 000 kms and I thought I will change to a brand new water cooled gs. However the test ride revealed that the new clutch-gearbox combination was noisy especially from 0 to 1 and 1 to 2 gears. So I bought the last brand new air-oil cooled gs 1200 in Finland. However, the wc model has its advantages and I again consider the wc. I have no possibilities to test ride a 2017 model so I ask your experiences ☺

Lähetetty minun SM-A300FU laitteesta Tapatalkilla

 

[Tyzer]

It's irelevant what the future value is unless there is equity in the bike,for instance if the bike is valued at£6000 but it's worth £7000 then you have a £1000 to use as a deposit for another .I use PCP for cars and I have never had any equity their usually over valued

 

[Nutty]

Dear sirs and mss, I would kindly suggest returning to the original question: is the model year 2017 gearbox better than those of earlier water cooled R1200gs. My story is this: In 2013 my trustworth R1200GSA
from year 2006 got 80 000 kms and I thought I will change to a brand new water cooled gs. However the test ride revealed that the new clutch-gearbox combination was noisy especially from 0 to 1 and 1 to 2 gears. So I bought the last brand new air-oil cooled gs 1200 in Finland. However, the wc model has its advantages and I again consider the wc. I have no possibilities to test ride a 2017 model so I ask your experiences ☺

Lähetetty minun SM-A300FU laitteesta Tapatalkilla

Yes, it is. Don't listen to this lot squabbling about PCP's and residuals. They're all quite old, so tend to ramble off on tangents, forgetting the original question!

 

[zoltan]

Dear sirs and mss, I would kindly suggest returning to the original question: is the model year 2017 gearbox better than those of earlier water cooled R1200gs. My story is this: In 2013 my trustworth R1200GSA
from year 2006 got 80 000 kms and I thought I will change to a brand new water cooled gs. However the test ride revealed that the new clutch-gearbox combination was noisy especially from 0 to 1 and 1 to 2 gears. So I bought the last brand new air-oil cooled gs 1200 in Finland. However, the wc model has its advantages and I again consider the wc. I have no possibilities to test ride a 2017 model so I ask your experiences ☺

Lähetetty minun SM-A300FU laitteesta Tapatalkilla

Had a test ride on the GSA with only 58 miles last week ( I am on my third GS LC) and the gear change is massively improved and different from my present or the previous GS LC bikes. Will be interesting to see if after the 600 miles service the gear change stays smooth .
On my present GS LC going up the gears it's fine, coming down its very noisy and now has developed an alarming forward jump when engaging 1st. Mileage now is 14600 miles. No corrosion or other issues

 

[Tyzer]

Yes, it is. Don't listen to this lot squabbling about PCP's and residuals. They're all quite old, so tend to ramble off on tangents, forgetting the original question!

I'm starting to realise you are quite irratating Nobby,I mean Nutty !

 

[Nutty]

I'm starting to realise you are quite irratating Nobby,I mean Nutty !

Why? You're one of the ones bleating on about PCP in a thread about the quality of the gearbox.

 

[yankeedoodledandy]

This gearbox question has been asked pretty much every year since 2013, and every year there are a group of people who have already spent money upgrading from a previous LC who seem utterly convinced the gearbox has radically changed and improved. Then a few months later other owners start chiming in with complaints about the current year's gearbox being clunky, and we end up right back where we started.

 

[ATG]

This gearbox question has been asked pretty much every year since 2013, and every year there are a group of people who have already spent money upgrading from a previous LC who seem utterly convinced the gearbox has radically changed and improved. Then a few months later other owners start chiming in with complaints about the current year's gearbox being clunky, and we end up right back where we started.

Perhaps you didn't realize that this is the first time that BMW acknowledges changes to the LC gear box and drive shaft. As BMW anounced changes, obviously intended to improve the GS transmission, many of us are curious to learn what experience those who have ridden the new model had. I, for one, am one of those.

Regards,

Andre

 

[sven]

The replacement 2016 engine in my 2014 model definitely has a better gearbox than the original engine. The bike doesn't feel as lively though due to the heavier flywheel.