Motocap Safety Ratings - jackets, gloves, armour, helmet

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Interesting results on textiles. Video explains how testing is done. Question is: do they sell a different spec in Aus & NZ?


MotoCAP is supported by government and private road safety organisations across Australia and New Zealand. This allows MotoCAP to randomly select gear and purchase it for testing and rating, independent of industry. Industry can commission a rating of a specific garment, but MotoCAP remains impartial. MotoCAP gives industry no control over the ratings process and publishes the commissioned rating without input from the manufacturer, regardless of the result.


 
From the FAQ https://www.motocap.com.au/frequently-asked-questions - will answer many of your questions about their parameters compared to EU regs that UK has adopted

Is there a minimum standard of protection that all motorcycle gear complies with?​

No. Motorcycle clothing sold in Australia is not required to comply with a minimum standard of protection.
 
No. Motorcycle clothing sold in Australia is not required to comply with a minimum standard of protection.
Not one textile is in the top for abrasion test. Apart from a DAINESE jacket. Trousers did better.
My Klim BAJA 4 was right at the bottom apart from impact, I upgraded all the armour to L2.
Shame we don't have a company similar to the Australian company.
 
Shame we don't have a company similar to the Australian company.

we have tests by Ride magazine and Paul Varnsverry undertakes work for various Bauer publications so is presumably an advisor to Ride.
 
Not one textile is in the top for abrasion test. Apart from a DAINESE jacket. Trousers did better.
My Klim BAJA 4 was right at the bottom apart from impact, I upgraded all the armour to L2.
Shame we don't have a company similar to the Australian company.
Baja 4 is an off road jacket so I’d assume less need for abrasion protection. I’d be more interested to know how the Klim road focused gear performs e.g. Marrakesh or Kodiak, in the abrasion tests.
 
Worse than Baja. However the gear tested in Aus may be of a different speck to the one sold in UK/EU.
You just have to hope you land on the armoured bit, which I think will be the same for any textile jacket or trousers.

Can’t beat leather for protection, it’s just not as practical, especially in the heat.
 
Can’t beat leather for protection, it’s just not as practical, especially in the heat.
"Textile motorcycle gear fortified with materials like Dyneema, Kevlar, or Armacor can match or exceed the abrasion resistance of traditional leather" yet the Aus test results say a different thing.
My go to is leather, but touring is textile or when very hot.
 
I don't care what textiles and lightweight ghost armour claims are made, I don't feel anywhere near as protected riding in my AAA rated textile trousers as I do in my leathers. There's still no better substitute for a pair of decent armoured leathers, especially combined with an air vest. I'm pretty sure an "off" wearing my textile trousers would result in worse impact and abrasion injuries than in my old thick cowhide leathers. I wear textiles for comfort and convenience, for practicality and because in summer months they're cooler but don't kid myself about what protection they likely realistically offer.
 
I don't care what textiles and lightweight ghost armour claims are made, I don't feel anywhere near as protected riding in my AAA rated textile trousers as I do in my leathers. There's still no better substitute for a pair of decent armoured leathers, especially combined with an air vest. I'm pretty sure an "off" wearing my textile trousers would result in worse impact and abrasion injuries than in my old thick cowhide leathers. I wear textiles for comfort and convenience, for practicality and because in summer months they're cooler but don't kid myself about what protection they likely realistically offer.
If you look at the chart, leathers are in the top.
 
Yeah, I saw that, but the rating on textiles, even if AA or AAA rated just doesn't ring true to me as a reliable "safety" rating, more a comparator index for abrasion resistance. The impact resistance of ghost armour for example takes some convincing as it's incredibly thin (at least my Klim stuff is). The best armour I have is in my Rukka Pathfinder jacket, like all Rukka products, they don't skimp on coverage. Interesting looking at the MCap site and also the Shark ratings. I'd trust these more than just a dumbed down new CE level ratings. The old level 1/level 2 ratings were imho far more reliable but hard to decipher what was included as it was left up to manufacturers. For example, my Marakesh trousers at AA rating wouldn't have met the level 1 of the old standard, or would barely make it even using ghost level 2 armour. AAA ratings are now anything up to 70% less than the old level 2 standard. The whole CE ratings I now find as wholly unreliable indicators, their only advantage being far more specific indicators of abrasion. MCap/Shark are what I look at for new kit if doing comparisons.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist though to simply pick decent armoured leathers if you want the best levels of protection. I think we all tend to get a bit complacent when it comes to textiles.
 
In the last 15 years or so I have upgraded the armour in my older Rukka gear to D3O level 2 from the old Air armour and any of the newer trousers or jackets I have bought ( Richa/Modeka/Lindstrands ) that came with certified level 1 armour on purchase I upgraded the armour to level 2 .
Similarly the level 1 armour in my wife's Held and the Buse kit was replaced with level 2 (the Buse jacket was bought at a German bike show and when I asked about replacing the level 1 back protector with a level 2 equivalent they swapped them out for cost price)
 
Yeah, I saw that, but the rating on textiles, even if AA or AAA rated just doesn't ring true to me as a reliable "safety" rating, more a comparator index for abrasion resistance. The impact resistance of ghost armour for example takes some convincing as it's incredibly thin (at least my Klim stuff is). The best armour I have is in my Rukka Pathfinder jacket, like all Rukka products, they don't skimp on coverage. Interesting looking at the MCap site and also the Shark ratings. I'd trust these more than just a dumbed down new CE level ratings. The old level 1/level 2 ratings were imho far more reliable but hard to decipher what was included as it was left up to manufacturers. For example, my Marakesh trousers at AA rating wouldn't have met the level 1 of the old standard, or would barely make it even using ghost level 2 armour. AAA ratings are now anything up to 70% less than the old level 2 standard. The whole CE ratings I now find as wholly unreliable indicators, their only advantage being far more specific indicators of abrasion. MCap/Shark are what I look at for new kit if doing comparisons.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist though to simply pick decent armoured leathers if you want the best levels of protection. I think we all tend to get a bit complacent when it comes to textiles.
The problem with the new CE ratings is that it's only a pass or fail and manufacturers can choose which rating to test to. So if a specific item is AA rated, you won't know if it barely meets AA minimum requirements, exceeds it by a fair margin, or even could exceed AAA minimum requirements. Because the manufacturer might have not tested it to AAA because they didn't bother, didn't want to pay more for more testing or didn't think it would pass AAA anyway. Or even maybe they thought it would pass, but they intentionally did not test it for AAA because they wanted to reserve that rating for their top-end garment to push buyers to buy the more expensive option. It could also be the case they did test to AAA but it failed, they don't have to disclose that. And the AA test only indicated that it passed, not by how much because of how the test works.
As a comparator with MotoCAP, you can check out the number of seconds of abrasion time in the test reports. For high risk zones old level 1 standard was 4 seconds minimum, level 2 was 7 seconds. These cannot be directly compared to any number of seconds of the new CE test. However, MotoCAP has tested quite a few CE rated garments, so they can indicate what the lowest results are, in order to indicate a comparative with the minimum requirements of a CE rating. For AAA high risk zones, that used to be 1.3 to 1.7 seconds on the MotoCAP and old standard. However, now that more and more AAA garments (a lot of them jeans) are released, manufacturers are discovering better the minimum protection required to achieve AAA. Now there are AAA garments that only achieve 1.0 seconds in high risk zones on the MotoCAP test. So that's 7 times lower than the old level 2, not 70%.. (Not to mention the old standard high risk zones are also much larger, so in those extended zones the difference is even larger as it compared to the Medium risk zones of the new CE standard.)
For AA high risk zones, the minimum requirements can be compared to 0.6 seconds in MotoCAP testing. (These numbers come directly from Dr Chris Hurren from MotoCAP, he did a recent in depth interview on Youtube and sometimes post comments on Youtube as well. Very interesting interview to watch.)
There's also AA rated textile garments on MotoCAP that score 2-4 seconds, so the CE ratings are kinda useless as indicators of abrasion resistance as well.
I agree that the CE ratings are incomplete as a safety rating, but higher ratings do also have higher requirements for tear strength and seam strength compared to lower ratings. So it's not just about abrasion resistance. I've read a few comments about people working in the gear industry that the AAA seam strength test is quite hard and garments can also fail an AAA rating on seam strength alone even though abrasion resistance is good enough to pass.
 
This explains things quite well:


It doesn't specifically mention minimum threshold abrasion times and this is where ratings get a bit mixed (ie a AA jacket might well exceed the minimum pass time threshold of some others with the same rating that barely scrape through) and there are a few "standardised" (but different!) abrasion standards such as the Cambridge machine or German Darmstadt tests. This is a quite important distinction because virtually no riding jeans can pass the Cambridge machine tests but can pass the so-say more real world Darmstadt tests, so depending upon which is used, jeans could still make the same grade which is quite disingenuous compared to the older level 2 testing. This is why I prefer to use the Motocap ratings as they do reference the more rigorous testing.

The 70% reduction is something I've read multiple times from various sources but specific to certain tests. It may be splitting hairs but in general, I trusted the older Level 2 ratings far more. Whatever the outcomes, the additional thickness and comfort of a good set of leathers would always be my preference unless textiles have been very rigorously tested. Saying that, I am very impressed with the armour area (much larger than any other clothing I've used previously) on my newer Rukka jacket. It might "only" be AA rated but looks and feels to be far more rugged than some Klim AA rated gear I have, particularly with the armour used.
 
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Jeans can pass the Cambridge/MotoCAP test:
Two of the pants with the best abrasion test results tested by MotoCAP are actually jeans (Draggin Holeshot and Finn Moto 881). They surpass the 7 seconds required for the old level 2 as well. Though they do use fairly thick linings to achieve that.
The textiles made by Hideout Leather and BKS-made-to-measure also easily surpass level 2, though these are exceptions of course.
For textiles that haven't been tested extensively I agree that leathers are generally a lot safer. And leather of good quality and sufficient thickness can survive repeated high speed crashes whereas textiles are usually done after one high speed crash.
All this does ignore the armor because there's a separate standard for that. And there are only 2 size templates (A and B) for CE limb armor and even minimum requirements of the larger type B template are still a bit small. A lot of armor is larger than the type B template, but few exceed it by a large margin. Rukka does provide some of the largest level 2 protectors available and they seem to put it in all gear by default, kudos to them. Klim had some custom larger D3O armor as well, but sadly they made it exclusive to the Badlands suit. Now they've switched to their own Rogue armor but the larger variants are still exclusive to the Badlands (and now also the Kodiak.) And Rukka's armor still has more coverage, other manufacturers could learn from that.
 


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