Mr & Mrs Johno's Summer tour (advice req'd)

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Heading off to France again at the end of August to ride down to our house just North of Toulouse. We're planning on taking about 6 days to travel down camping on the way. We did something similar last year.This year we fancy riding into the Vosages( travelling euro tunnel early morning) first night, then maybe down into the western Alps for night 2.Then across to Grenoble and down the route Napoleon stopping somewhere on the route for night 3.Then up into the Luberon area of Provance for nights 4 & 5. Looking really for any do's and don'ts you may suggest.Particular places in the Vosages for night 1 anyone may know.This place is such a wealth of experience I would be grateful for any ideas.
I notice the Route Napoleon is an N road which i've usually found to be quite busy with traffic in the summer. Does that apply to the route napoleon? Usually prefer the D roads.
Has anyone been into the Luberon area?
Wapping, does this sound a practical timescale?

Thanks guys, look forward to the responses and piss takes where deserved:thumb
 
On a Black Forest run this May we took a breakfast chunnel, 8.20 IIRC, rode 30 - 40 minutes on peage to get out of Calais and then did D roads all the way to Nancy for late afternoon. Awesome town square, great for people watching, but I'd recommend eating a few streets away and then go there for beers as its expensive food in the square and not brilliant. We ate at the restaurant on the left of the photo.

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We stayed at the Etap on Allée du Chanoine Drioton (there's 2 Etap's in Nancy) as its a 10 minute walk into the town, has secure underground parking and is very cheap, but F1 type cheerful.

From Nancy its an hour into the Vosges.

I know it's not camping and probably a bit further north than you want to be :blast.... but its almost as cheap and gets you a good way south without motorways.
 
Yes, it's doable.

I have just come back from a week or so in the Luberon* with ChasMill of this parish and family. Lots of good roads and it's getting hot down there. Probably no cooler at the end of August and you may well catch the odd mother of all storms..... so take your wellies.

I think you will waste time camping, but each to their own.

Colmar will do for the Vosges.


*My parents live there.
 
Thanks Wapping, was beginning to wonder where the hell you were!:D

Why do you think it a waste of time to camp?

And any comments regarding R.Napoleon.

Thanks again:thumb
 
We stayed at the Etap on Allée du Chanoine Drioton (there's 2 Etap's in Nancy) as its a 10 minute walk into the town, has secure underground parking and is very cheap, but F1 type cheerful.

From Nancy its an hour into the Vosges.

I know it's not camping and probably a bit further north than you want to be :blast.... but its almost as cheap and gets you a good way south without motorways.

I was there last month and despite the weather being crap it held off long enough in Nancy for us to enjoy the sites. I lived there when I was in my 20's.

From August to October I believe they have a light show in the Place Stanislas every night at 10 pm. I'll be taking a detour to Nancy to see this when I return to the UK at the end of the month.

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near the cathedral you can hire bicycles to get around for €3.

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The Etap is next to a water garden and marina. If the underground car park is full as it was when we arrived there is plenty of safe residential street parking.
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Just don't park immediately outside as we saw cars getting towed away. :augie
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If you wander away from the main square there are cheaper eateries on a street called Rue des Maréchaux. The locals tend to go here and those in the know :thumb

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Lac Gérardmer can be nice if the weather is good but we didn't see it in its best light on this occasion

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This is the D417 to Colmar leaving Lac Gérardmer. It had some cracking twisties but again... couldn't see diddly. The views are good when you can.
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As for the Luberon. I stayed near Mallemort and visited Aix-en-Provence and a town called Gordes in the Luberon which is where they filmed "A Good Year" with Russel Crowe. I won't post every pic up here but if you want a look follow this link

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One of my favourite travel destinations. I didn't have a bike then but I will return on two wheels someday soon :rob
 
The Route Napoleon is one of the 'great' motorcycling roads, so worth doing.

Yes, it's an N road, but on the other hand some D roads are simply declassified or re-classed N roads..... and not all D roads are great, just as not all N roads are bad. Yup, there may be traffic on it but you are on a motorcycle, not in a car.... toast 'em.

Camping? It takes time to put a tent up, take it down, re-pack it and fiddle about. Time that can be spent usefully riding a bike or seeing a bit more of where you are. Checking into most hotels just takes moments, whilst checking out takes moments, too. With the exception of your two nights in the Luberon you are overnighting, so will be taking the tent down and putting it up again.... night after night. You can check into a hotel at 19:00 and be in the bar by 19:30, showered and ready for nosh.... or still be banging tent pegs into rock hard ground.... take your pick (clever joke, see). :thumb
 
Camping? It takes time to put a tent up, take it down, re-pack it and fiddle about. Time that can be spent usefully riding a bike or seeing a bit more of where you are. Checking into most hotels just takes moments, whilst checking out takes moments, too. With the exception of your two nights in the Luberon you are overnighting, so will be taking the tent down and putting it up again.... night after night. You can check into a hotel at 19:00 and be in the bar by 19:30, showered and ready for nosh.... or still be banging tent pegs into rock hard ground.... take your pick (clever joke, see). :thumb

You're dead right! I was in the car on the latest trip and have one of those Quechua "throw at the ground and it springs to life" tents but you still have to arse about with the bedding and tarps and chairs and BBQ's and everything else. I'm not dissing camping but if you are on a bike road trip with the intention to see a fair bit in a short space of time then camping really eats into that time.
 
What would I do?

The OP has quite a good plan and doable for sure without killing oneself.

I would start with the fact that he definitely wants to get to his house in Toulon by a certain date, leaving himself five to six days to 'Do chunks of the eastern side of France'. Let's says it's six days. Of these six two are to be spent in the Luberon, leaving four. Let's cheat a bit and say that the OP will accept one of the Luberon days as getting there, after all the Luberon is only a (smallish) part of the whole Provencal area which itself stretches from a long swathe of the Med coast to about Nyons in the north.

Basic maps are a great way to start.

Colmar

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Route Napoleon

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Provence

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Luberon

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I would then work out:

(i) What bits of the jaunt were most important to me. For instance, I have come through the Vosges in a morning (passing through Colmar on the way from the Black Forest) - so 'doing them' in a day or less - but on a quite separate visit spent three or four days riding around Colmar 'doing them' again, much fuller.

Similarly, I have ridden across Provence in a day several times and also spent two weeks there exploring on lots of occasions.

So, it's possible to do everything and nothing. It all depends on your time frame, what you might want to get out of it, stll have a holiday and hopefully stay married. The view I take is that France will not go away, so sometimes it's quite sufficient to pass through somewhere but making a note to (maybe) come back and see it again some other time, properly.

(ii) Having got the most important bits in place, I would then plot them up on a map to work out how to join them up without killing myself, staying married and having a half decent bit of holiday fun. I would also have have an eye that I need to get to Toulon, so I could mix in some great bits of Proevence to get there anyway.

Let's say for the sake of argument that the four main towns are:

Colmar, for the Vosges

Grasse (or maybe Catellanne) for having come down the Route Napoleon, with half an eye that you want to cut across to the Luberon.

Apt (a half decent town in the heart of the Luberon) or one of the very pretty satellite villages, perhaps? Sault (not in the Luberon, strictly speaking) is nice, has some small hotels and leaves you within easy striking distance of Mt Ventoux and Toulon. Both probably have a campsite not to far away, too. But the Luberon and Provence is littered with nice places, so you will find something super, I am sure. Gault is one of my favourites, cafe de la poste, for lunch.

Toulon, the end destination.

Now join them up with a decent map or two (see the sticky). But, here is the tricky bit..... Work out if you want to ride all day for hours on small roads, or leave at 11 to finish at four and have lunch and press wild flowers, or somewhere inbetween. Nobody knows what YOU want to do or how you want to do it. That is not a criticism nor a bad thing, simply as everyone is different.

I would accept a day on a motorway / fast N roads between points A and B if it got me to B in good time to do what I wanted to do the next day and / or got me to Toulon, which is really where I needed to be by a certain date. If I could do it with camping (and really wanted to camp, which is fine) great; if I couldn't great, too. Same with the D roads, too.

(iii) I would have half an eye, too, on the weather. Provence was sweltering at over 30c yesterday and the three or four days before. Much after 10:30 and much before 16:30 is hot work. Yup, you can ride in it (I have, several times) but it can slow you down, believe me.

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Just like the UK, as a rough rule of thumb.

280 miles is a full day on D mixed with N roads.

400 miles is a full day on motorways, D and N roads.

By a full day I mean: Wheels rolling at 09:30, a decent coffee break of 30 minutes, an hour or so for lunch and a decent afternoon coffee stop for another 30 minutes. Finishing at about 18:00. That is very comfortable timing for sure but mix in picture stops and wild flower pressing..... and the clock will whizz round.....



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PS Twit that I am, I forgot the very simple and obvious question!!!

What are you planning for the way back?
 
I have found all French roads pretty deserted by UK standards.

Last year the guys on the Alpine Roads forum warned me about how heavy the traffic is on the Julier pass, we rode it twice, once on a Saturday and again mid-week and there were no traffic issues, I reckon the A-Roads near me are as busier at 5.00am in the morning. What many Europeans class as "busy" is not the same as what we in Britain class as busy.

The other benefit of the Alps (and simlar places) is at least when you are waiting for a passing opportunity the scenery is stunning.

We are coming back up along the Route Napolon during the second week of september and I am realy looking forward to it - gotta be ticked of the list.

Enjoy :thumb
 
Thanks for all effort Wapping, great advice. :beerjug:

Our place is Just north of Toulouse not Toulon, so we will head west through Provence,much as you describe.We have no set timetable which makes it very flexible, so should be good fun.
We haven't really planned the route home as it will probably be a 2day dash back, not really sure yet.(open to suggestions)

Thanks again Wapping:thumb :bow

Thanks to the other guys to. :beerjug:
 


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