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Kamikaze

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Hi,
Due to a hotwiring attempt, the BMSKP is blown. This I presume to be an ECU, the brains of the bike.

With traditional fuses, a fuse would have blown and saved it or am I mistaken?

If I'm right, is this a weakness in the canbus system.
The dealer's told me the canbus system wasn't working because the bike wasn't turned on. Wouldn't have mattered with a fuse.

I've argued that I shouldn't have to pay the €612 + fitting cost of replacement.
Am I being unreasonable?

Jim.
 
Kamikaze said:
Am I being unreasonable?

Jim.
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Sorry Jim , but Yes you are being unreasonable.:comfort

BMW are not responsible for a scumbag toasting the ECU.Wont your insurance cover it if it was an attempted theft?

If not, take it on the chin and write the cheque.

As an aside, how/ where did this happen?
 
Hi Gizmo,
Thanks for the opinion.
Unfortunately, it transpired that what I thought was third party, fire and theft insurance was third party only.
The bike was taken from outside the house in Croaghta Park, off Glasheen Road.

They pushed it into the next estate and, thanks to the ring antenna, weren't able to hotwire it.

I feel a bit aggrieved that, with a traditional fuse system, I'd only have to replace the fuse.

Jim.
 
yes but as you say with a fuse system you would probably not seen your bike again and with only third party you would have had a hard hit in the pocket.maybe a lesson to be thankful for.:comfort
 
I'm confused, you only have third party insurance and are pissed off that the very system that prevented you from suffering a total loss is costing you money to put right. Sorry but surely the only fault is your own for not having adequate insurance cover. Sorry if it sounds harsh but you'll find sympathy between shit and syphilis in the dictionary :toungincheek
 
Kamikaze said:
Hi Gizmo,
Thanks for the opinion.
Unfortunately, it transpired that what I thought was third party, fire and theft insurance was third party only.
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:blast:blast:blast

FFS - read your policy document ! Whilst you are at it, perhaps you should check your house, contents & travel insurance policies provide the level of cover you think you have.

As someone previously said, you should count yourself lucky the bike could not be started otherwise you'd have no bike at all.
 
Thanks for the opinions :)
Yes, I'm glad the ring antenna saved the bike but it wasn't that I was asking about.

I was asking if a traditional fuse would have prevented the short blowing the unit whereas the canbus system, which as I understand it replaces fuses, didn't.
Nothing to do with the ring antenna, for which I am VERY grateful.

Yes, I should have had better insurance. I thought I had but no, I did not read my policy. :blast How many people do? I suspect most people assume they're getting what they believe they have agreed. :nenau

Anyway, the answer from BMW is no. The canbus wasn't on so couldn't work.

It seems I was being unreasonable but hey, worth asking. :nenau
Now to get it back and packed for a trip to the continent next Thursday. :JB
 
Kamikaze said:
Thanks for the opinions :)
Yes, I should have had better insurance. I thought I had but no, I did not read my policy. :blast How many people do? I suspect most people assume they're getting what they believe they have agreed. :nenau
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Err no. I think you'll find that most people do read their policy documents. The cover letter that comes with your policy document always tells you to and places the onus on your to check. Its far too important an issue to not read at least your certificate. If your bike reg is wrong on the documents, then technically you have no insurance...not a place I'd like to be when stopped by the filth, or worse, stopped in Spain; then that's your bike gone - impounded !
 
Kamikaze said:
Thanks for the opinions :)
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I was asking if a traditional fuse would have prevented the short blowing the unit whereas the canbus system, which as I understand it replaces fuses, didn't...........
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Not necessarily - nothing to do with Canbus - any electronic circuit comprising semiconductors, microprocessors etc will die far faster (in the event of an over voltage or short circuit being applied to a sensitive part) than any conventional fuse is capable of reacting.
 
Engineer said:
Not necessarily - nothing to do with Canbus - any electronic circuit comprising semiconductors, microprocessors etc will die far faster (in the event of an over voltage or short circuit being applied to a sensitive part) than any conventional fuse is capable of reacting.
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Thanks. That's the informed answer I was looking for. I know very little about electronics and needed the opinion of somebody who does. The thought crossed my mind but I wasn't sure. :thumb2
 
WindyChuffer said:
Err no. I think you'll find that most people do read their policy documents. The cover letter that comes with your policy document always tells you to and places the onus on your to check. Its far too important an issue to not read at least your certificate. If your bike reg is wrong on the documents, then technically you have no insurance...not a place I'd like to be when stopped by the filth, or worse, stopped in Spain; then that's your bike gone - impounded !
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You are right. All very logical and will be applied in the future. I try to learn from my mistakes. Thanks. :thumb2
 
Thanks, Harry.
At the price and with the tendency to bin things if they show up as an error on a diagnostic machine, that could be very useful. :thumb2

Jim.
 
Most expensive electronic modules have designed-in fault tolerance and protection, which sadly does not include protection for some muppet injecting volts where they aren't meant to be.

If you are lucky the ECU will have an onboard micro fuse on its circuitry which can be replaced by a specialist repair facility, otherwise its back to the main dealers who are the only ones with the specialist equipment (BMW GT-1 computer) and the authorisation codes required to enable the ecu in software (with the required modular options based on the build spec of your bike)and then pair up your bikes ignition keys to the ecu.
 
Go the EWS failure (second time). Dealer connected the bike to the BMS MOS system (whatever that is) and diagnosed a faulty BMSKP unit. Ruled out ring antenna failure. Part cost A$1500 (Eu 1112). Faaarrrrrrrk!

Anyone else had to buy one. Eu 612 vs Eu 1112 in Oz seems a rip off.
 
I can;t understand this They tried to hotwire the bike and it blew the brain ????

What was damaged when you got it back??

Key ?? Did you get any display up on the screen ??

Be interesting if they fit the BMS K and it still is fooked??

BMS K is the lock and key of the system It is the datacenter if you like

It's where the code is accepted or rejected for the Key and the rest of the locks undone i.e. the ignition circuits turned live

I found a workaround for a friend for his 1200GS when his display doesn;t show the gear position indicator he can't start it clutch in out sidestand up down he's just fooked so I discovered a wee thing by accident and hid him a wee button fer his starter
 
Kamikaze said:
Hi,
Due to a hotwiring attempt, the BMSKP is blown. This I presume to be an ECU, the brains of the bike.

With traditional fuses, a fuse would have blown and saved it or am I mistaken?.
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You are mistaken. My ZZR600 had a fried ECU when the previous owner tried jump starting it, and shorted the positive terminal out on the frame.


A 2nd hand ECU was only £20 though :D
 
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