My R100GS tale of woe

[GADGET]

Now we know where the water ingress came about. In a fucking ditch.

L...h should be named and shamed.

???? OBviously I have an interest in this, I read through Rob's link and I didn't see anything about the bike ending up in a ditch, or did I miss that bit?

 

[GADGET]

Read it again, 4th word, no mention of water though, even so, I do wish I'd read this account at at early stage

 

[flatdog]

Read it again, 4th word, no mention of water though, even so, I do wish I'd read this account at at early stage

I know, sorry but to me a ditch is where water tends to collect, so we can speculate as the PO hasn't bothered responding.
It wouldn't take much moisture ingress….say from washing a muddy bike to start the degradation on your pistons.

 

[David Nimrod]

I do wish I'd read this account at at early stage

Time spent on 'research' is rarely wasted...

 

[Captain Black]

Can't you just go and knock on the previous owners door ?

 

[GADGET]

Mmm, I could and probably will do, when I get a final bill from Mikeyboy and can work out how much of my rebuilt cost can be attributed to the undisclosed 'damage', but have you seen the size of him!!!

 

[flatdog]

Mmm, I could and probably will do, when I get a final bill from Mikeyboy and can work out how much of my rebuilt cost can be attributed to the undisclosed 'damage', but have you seen the size of him!!!

You're just too fucking English…

He/she's a coward.
L….visited the site not long ago, and hasn't posted since confirming the sale to you and some other bike stuff.

Confront away, you need closure…..and we all would like to see you getting acknowledgement and apology with monetary compensation.

 

[BillN]

You're just too fucking English…

He/she's a coward.
L….visited the site not long ago, and hasn't posted since confirming the sale to you and some other bike stuff.

Confront away, you need closure…..and we all would like to see you getting acknowledgement and apology with monetary compensation.

I agree, it's unbelievable, been waiting for a response, any response ................................but is all about money .......... and all too common a tale these days

 

[David Nimrod]

but is all about money .......... and all too common a tale these days

Pathetic really... where's the integrity..?

 

[DrFarkoff]

Pathetic really... where's the integrity..?

Somewhere with the £900 they were asking for the jigs for doing 1200FDs!!!!

No I didn;t buy them!

 

[Dennis the Menace]

Its hard, but I don't think you will get any money of them, it looks like they have history where money is concerned, but best of luck

 

[Captain Black]

Mmm, I could and probably will do, when I get a final bill from Mikeyboy and can work out how much of my rebuilt cost can be attributed to the undisclosed 'damage', but have you seen the size of him!!!

Just go knock on the door.

Without reading through 15 pages but looking at the photos , you were sold a bike that had an engine rebuild of sorts ? But upon inspection it looks like the engine has been at the bottom of the North Sea and is/was fucked and not as described ? So has cost a considerable sum to correct ?

If so naughty , go and discuss it with them .

Maybe you should have returned the bike as was and got your dosh back early doors ?

Does the seller have history of this sort of stunt ?

 

[GADGET]

Just go knock on the door.

Without reading through 15 pages but looking at the photos , you were sold a bike that had an engine rebuild of sorts ? But upon inspection it looks like the engine has been at the bottom of the North Sea and is/was fucked and not as described ? So has cost a considerable sum to correct ?

If so naughty , go and discuss it with them .

Maybe you should have returned the bike as was and got your dosh back early doors ?

Does the seller have history of this sort of stunt ?

No offence intended to anyone, but it is easy to be wise after an event, with the benefit of hindsight, but I worked on my gut instinct in believing what I was told by the seller, which has not let me down before, over many purchases over the years. (always a first time)

But yes I was told the engine had been rebuilt, just prior to the bike being sorned about 8 years previously, so I did have, in my eyes, a reasonable expectation that the engine would be in good order, apart from any issues of not being used for that period of time. The dealer named by the seller is listed on the internet as having a BMW tech and undertaking rebuilds, did I check this with the dealer before purchase? No. Subsequent contact with the dealer concerned has established that the work they did complete on this bike was a carb rebuild and the replacement of one of the engine barrel stud threads, but I have yet to confirm this in writing. The dire state of the internals was not revealed, nor could have been apparent, until the subsequent strip down by Mikeyboy. So do you think it would have been reasonable for me to take the bike back as a box of bits to the seller? In any event its too late for that course of action, so when I have all the evidence/information to hand I can get I will try to get the seller to reach a reasonable settlement, before resorting to the small claims court, there is a 6 year limit on claims, so no rush!

In answer to your last question, don't know, but is it really relevant now, its too late for me. If you had read through the previous posts, and who could have imagined there would have been 231 posts and 12700 views on this thread, so far, you would be aware that I have not named the seller of this bike and any assumptions that as to thats persons identity or character have not originated from me.

 

[solidstate100]

I think really, if you decide to open a small claims court claim as you mentioned, the issue wont be so much what the state of the bike is in now, its what was said at the time of the sale - however, you need to be able to prove what was said at that time. Got it in writing? if not, it cant be proved/it didnt happen, and its no more than your word against his. I suspect thats what a magistrate would say.

BTW i have not seen the for sale ad so if this has already been covered I will gladly get my coat.

 

[ChasF]

The seller clearly states that "The mileage was 39999 miles on the last MOT (2008) but had a engine strip and rebuild since then." In response to a question from one prospective purchaser on the advert thread.

This seems to me very specific and implies the engine is in good repair - on the basis that you wouldn't strip an engine and then put it back together without replacing worn out or damaged parts.

 

[Ijustwanttoseethephotos]

Happens all the time, it's too expensive to do a proper repair, so re-assemble the engine then sell the bike.
The seller hasn't been untruthfull, it has been rebuilt, the buyer has made the assumption that the engine has had a full refurbishment.
Obviously if the seller can back things up with a receipt for the work, that's different, what did he say when you asked for the receipt?

 

[Deleted account 200123001]

you wouldn't NORMALLY strip an engine and then put it back together without replacing worn out or damaged parts.

Unless you didnt have the money to refrubish it or......it was rebuilt replacing essentials and the weather has destroyed it, 8 years is a long time stationary if left outside even under cover.

 

[ChasF]

If the seller had said that the engine had been stripped then, fair enough, but the engine was obviously in one piece when GADGET saw it and the seller had stated it was rebuilt.

 

[solidstate100]

BTW i have not seen the for sale ad so if this has already been covered I will gladly get my coat.

Just putting my coat on..........*shuts door on way out*

 

[Rob Farmer]

You're just too fucking English…

He/she's a coward.
L….visited the site not long ago, and hasn't posted since confirming the sale to you and some other bike stuff.

Confront away, you need closure…..and we all would like to see you getting acknowledgement and apology with monetary compensation.

Bam Bam and liith are really nice people (apart from doing a runner with my input shaft )

to correct an earlier post it was Lilith that crashed on Bam Bams bike. Gadgets bike used to belong to Bam Bam. The bike was used exactly as a proper airhead GS should have been used. If you check out the old pictures there are pictures of it in the desert somewhere. Its only recently the rivet counters and spoke polishers have got into airheads and have completely spoilt the scene, upped the price of the bikes to silly levels and produced some ridiculously over restored contraptions.

If you knocked a thousand pound off the asking price then you haven't got a leg to stand on really.

As for the damage:-

driveshaft
Clean the top of the pistons to get the loose carbon off (though most of it would have blown out the first time the engine fired). i've fired up engines with worst crap than that in them and within a few minutes youd never have known there was a anything in there
New oil pump
big end shells/cirlips/gaskets

Around three hours labour

to be honest you just needed to clean the carbs I doubt the rest would have ever been an issue. so that just leaves the driveshaft but you did knock a grand off the price so you are well in.


I bet most of the airheads on this site are in the same condition or worse.

If Mikeyboy has fitted one of the new BMW oil pump outers then the original worn parts will pale into insignificance. Moorespeed make their own for a reason



as for all you old/fat/little guys pumping yourself up and saying you'd be knocking on the door. Good luck with that! My moneys will be on Bam Bam