My test of a GS12

Howard Millichap

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I test rode a GS1200 on 1st Feb at SPC Alton. My conclusions are as follows :-

ENGINE ; quite pokey with lots of “get up & go” between 4.5K & 7K. It red lines at 8250rpm. Not a lot below 3K. In fact I stalled it a few times trying to pull away gently. Let the revs drop too low and you’re greeted with the BMW shake & judder. At 4K (70mph in top) it’s dead smooth but everywhere else it vibrates a bit. I think it could get annoying on a long ride. The clutch is very sudden which contributed to the stalling.
HANDLING ; the steering is very light but without any stability problems. Neutral in corners. The suspension is too stiff making the ride very jiggly at slower speeds. The salesman described it as “sporty”. I prefer the suspension to absorb bumps not crash into them. I didn’t notice anything wrong with the Paralever rear, which means that it must work OK. Of course you get the “anti-dive” effect with the Telelever front end which is a good thing because the brakes were very good at speed. However, at slow speeds they were very sudden, meaning that it was difficult to stop smoothly. The lever has no give in it, which means that there is little feel to the brakes. It’s a good job ABS is an option. The whole bike feels quite light so doing a bit of off-road should be OK.
COMFORT ; ergonomics were good. The seat was comfortable over the 50 miles I covered. The reach to the bars was typical trailie. The poor ride quality would spoil a good ride for me. I still don’t think the switchgear is right i.e. the designer who assigned the lower LH button as the indicator instead of the horn, needs to be shot. The clocks were easy to read with lots of info in the LCD panel. Aerodynamics is OK. There is no buffeting but there is still a fair amount of wind roar. No wind hits your chest.
The cost of all this with Heated grips, ABS, luggage...£10500 OTR.

Comparing the above to my Tiger ;
ENGINE ;
If the GS has any advantage it is power and torque but it’s not by much if at all. You'd really have to get them side by side. The Tiger has more and is useable between 1K and 3K.
The Triumph engine is smooth everywhere. The GS is not.
The Tiger clutch is more progressive and easier to control. The GS’s is lighter.
HANDLING ;
I prefer the Tiger suspension. It has more give in it and thus gives a smoother ride but is still well damped and controlled. Not much in it going round corners.
GS has the better brakes at speed but the Tigers are less grabby at low speeds.
GS feels, and is, lighter.
The steering is lighter on the GS.
COMFORT ;
The Tiger has the better ride quality. Also has standard switchgear so it’s easy to switch (sic) between different bikes.
Can’t read the Tiger clocks under street lighting. Couldn’t try the GS at night but has to be better.
Aerodynamics better on the GS. The Tiger has buffeting problems.
The cost of a Tiger with heated grips and luggage (no ABS yet)....£6999 OTR.

CONCLUSION :-
So that’s a difference in cost of £3501. 50% more!
Is the GS better? In some areas, yes. Is it £3500 better? No way!
Is it a significant step forward? No.
I’ll be keeping the Tiger for the foreseeable future. I’ll wait to see what Triumph do in 2006.
 
Okay so you Tiger owners can turn up on the GS site and rubbish the bike?:D

Where's the web address for the Triumph Tigger site?

My 12 was smoother before its 600 mile service but even now it'll be quite okay down to about 2k rpm.

The brakes, once you're tuned into them are fine, better than fine in fact.

Ride quality? Mines on the plushy side of sporty but maybe it's a slightly subjective issue.

If this sounds like I'm defending my R1200GS here you're damn right I am!

Bloody Tigger owners, who the feck do they think they are!

I now belong to the Meister Race.
 
I agree with all of Wraithwrider's comments.

OK so the Triumph is cheaper, but it probably also depreciates faster.

Have you seen the warning in the owner's handbook, "This motorcycle is not suitable for off-road operation?"

And remind me, did the Tiger earn a 'bike of the year' award?

Tim
 
OK, fairly objective I thought.

A more subjective comparison though is the looks.

Whilst the 1200GS doesn't quite have the "function over form" chiselled good looks of the earlier incarntions of GS's (especially the jaw-dropping black Adventure :D ), it is still a handsome piece of kit when compared to the Tiger. Mind you even Suzuki's old DR Big looks good beside a Tiger!

Superficial? Yes!

Worth £3.5K to not be seen on something as Fugly as a Tiger?

You bet! Every penny!!! :D :D :D
 
Howard Millichap said:
I test rode a GS1200 on 1st Feb at SPC Alton. My conclusions are as follows :-

The Tiger clutch is more progressive and easier to control.
(Until the cable snaps)
GS has the better brakes at speed but the Tigers are less grabby at low speeds.
(Try using the back brake only at low speed.)
CONCLUSION :-
So that’s a difference in cost of £3501. 50% more!
Is the GS better? In some areas, yes. Is it £3500 better? No way!
(How much is the Tiger worth in 12 months?)
 
Howard, how many times do you have to rebuild a bike 'properly' before you don't have to rebuild it again? :rolleyes:
 
Re: Tiger

andy malton said:
The Tiger had won even before the test ride:D right Howard?
That's how it appears to me......why did you do the test in the first place.............would you have spent the extra £3.5k if it'd been better in your opinion??
 
Tiger or 1200GS?

Take a look at the latest Bike magazine. Look at the International Bike of the year section conducted over 12 representative countries. The Tiger doesn't even get a single mention, whereas the BMW is very highly rated.

If you want a good cheap bike get the Tiger, if you want the best get the 1200GS, simple as that!
 
Engineer said:
Tiger or 1200GS?

Take a look at the latest Bike magazine. Look at the International Bike of the year section conducted over 12 representative countries. The Tiger doesn't even get a single mention, whereas the BMW is very highly rated.

If you want a good cheap bike get the Tiger, if you want the best get the 1200GS, simple as that!

Agreed Engineer. Except if you want a good cheap bike get a DL650. There's no way I would buy a Tiger over one of those. And if your worried about the 650 theres the DL1000. What more could you ask for. And at a much lower cost to the Tiger.
 
The DL650 got an excellent review in BIKE despite being no where in any of the tests carried out. Does strike me as a bit of a chicks bike though.

Mate of mine from Clevedons got a tiger (955i), had 1150gs before and a varadero before that. He really rates the motor above everything else.

I looked at the tiger before I bought the 12GS but it just did not compare, it needs a serious update. The BMW detail is fantastic right down to the integrated switch for the heated grips, take a look at the tigers version to see how badly it can be done.

Cant knock the engine on the tiger though.
 
I bought a new Tiger last summer (convinced myself the 12GS wasn't worth the £3.5k extra). I now have a 12GS!!
Why? - Tiger engine was great, but I did not feel happy with the handling, brakes, or front suspension dive (even though mine was an 05 model with better front suspension). Handling on long fast bends was OK, but in twisties with rapid transitions from left to right, the bike seemed to suddenly fall into the bend - could be due to a higher C of G? The brakes were OK, but never seemed anything like as good as my previous bikes.
I thought long and hard, decided I wanted to keep the bike for some time, swallowed deeply, and paid the extra to get the bike I should have bought in the first place.
And yes, the Tiger does depreciate rapidly!
Tiger is good value though, but IMO not as good or confidence inspiring as the 12GS. Whether the GS is worth £3.5k extra is open for debate, but I guess it partly depends on how you ride the bike and the use you intend to put it to.
 
Whether the GS is worth £3.5k extra is open for debate, but I guess it partly depends on how you ride the bike and the use you intend to put it to. [/B]


Its probably more to do with how much money you have - if you can easily afford 10k you get the best, if not, you accept a few compromises and feel satisfied that you have probably got better value! - untill it comes to resale that is!
 
Zmeagol said:
I agree with all of Wraithwrider's comments.

OK so the Triumph is cheaper, but it probably also depreciates faster.

Have you seen the warning in the owner's handbook, "This motorcycle is not suitable for off-road operation?"

And remind me, did the Tiger earn a 'bike of the year' award?

Tim

The write up is my own PERSONAL opinion. If you don't agree then that's your perogative. IMHO BMW have only just caught up in the performance stakes but they haven't taken a leap beyond the performance of the Tiger. I don't think the GS is bad. It's just not value for money IMHO.

Tigers may depreciate at a higher percentage BUT when YOU start off at 10 grand and I at 7 grand work it out how much in ££ you lose at 30% and I lose at 40%. Doh! It's 3 grand for you and 2700 for me. oh dear.

You see if BMW will honour a claim if you've used the GS off road.

AS for BOTY. The GS is a new bike/model. Since when did any 6 year old design win?
 
Pressurized said:
Thank you, now feck off and oil your chain.

Just the sort of comment I expect from someone hurting in the bank balance department.
I don't need to oil my chain. It's automatic. Scottoiler y'know. And the original has done 23000 miles which is further than the drive shaft went on my BMW!
 
Alphason said:
Howard, how many times do you have to rebuild a bike 'properly' before you don't have to rebuild it again? :rolleyes:

When I say "rebuilt in my garage", I mean put back together. When you can't rely on a BMW dealer to rebuild a gearbox that will last for more than 16K what hope have you got. Lucky for all you lot L&C (Tun Wells) have given up the bikes bit.
 
Having read Howards opinions before one is left with the distinct impression he's desperately trying to justify or defend his purchase of a Triumph , and it appears he can only do this by continually carping about the 1200 GS, interestingly he never mentions reliability neither does he talk about depreciation until he needs to defend his text, then he talks about cash amounts and skims over the percentages, how someone can make fair comparisons about suspension on the strength of a 50 mile test ride i don't know unless he tried various settings and still couldnt find a set up he was comfortable with, most of us set the bike up to suit, it's difficult to see how he can criticise the torque available on the 1200Gs, i find low rev grunt perfectly acceptable, and as for the stalling isue, thats rider error pure and simple but then it comes back to the old epithet that a bad workman always blames his tools i suspect.
I've covered 4k so far, a mix of riding and conditions and including 2 longish trips of 800 miles, so far i've managed not to stall the bike once, the Tiger is by all accounts a nice bike and the 1 test ride i took when deciding what i wanted left me feeling neither cold or warm about the Tiger, but the overwhelming final impression was that i preferred the 1200GS in most aspects of everyday riding and additionally future px value was also a factor.
Having purchased the 1200 i wouldnt be arrogant enough to assume my opinion of the bike was infallible, maybe Howard should do a little soul searching and accept that whatever his years of experience are he's not qualified to offer such harsh criticisms of a very good bike that has recieved international acclaim from both riders and the press.

Humbly a GS1200 rider with an open mind.

:beer:
 


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