Yellow Peril
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Possibly stupid question but is the map set on your Nav V the same as Basecamp? I got that wrong once and every route I used would re calculate, look at the basics first before getting carried away.
Nav V Routes recalculating :(
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The Grey One
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In reality map versions make very little difference. If the route is properly done in the first place and the avoidances match there are no probs. with different maps. Even if your maps match and the route is transferred correctly if there is a mismatch in avoidances or the faster time/shortest distance setting then the routes could still differ once you are under way if there are not enough via points to prevent it. If, for instance you go of route for fuel, the device will recalculate to the next via point according to it's own settings.
John
DJ GSA
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Well the tracks option didn't work either. Again when you display the map it shows you the planned route correctly.
But as soon as you select the end point "Select Next Destination" it recalculates the route.
The route options in BaseCamp are the same as on the NavV.
I think that what I want to do is impossible. Which kinda makes sense cos it defeats what the device is supposed to do.
But as soon as you select the end point "Select Next Destination" it recalculates the route.
The route options in BaseCamp are the same as on the NavV.
I think that what I want to do is impossible. Which kinda makes sense cos it defeats what the device is supposed to do.
It's not if the device is used as it is meant to be used. You have to remember that it's a mass market device, 'Built for bikers' many of whom have no desire to do anything beyond getting a dumb device to get them from A to D via B and C. They have no wish to plot their own routes and will quite happily rely on anything that anyone (even a dumb - but really very clever - machine) tells them, hence all the posts about:
(a) I just ask the device for a route, that way I ride roads I'd never have discovered and I always know where I'm going.
(b) I am going to the Alps from my house, tell me great roads to ride
Many routes are created for multiple bods to use and / or for the lazy. Take for example a route from A to E, via B, C and D where the three intervening letters are a mid-morning coffee stop, a lunch stop and an afternoon tea stop. B, C and D can be set up as waypoints and a modern device will tell you exactly when you'll be arriving at each. Quite useful when bods frequently ask exactly that question, often more than once. Similarly, if someone gets lost they can ask the device to take them to any of the waypoints and it will do it, according to the preferences set by the device's owner.. Again, quite useful. Using BaseCamp, a perfectly good and powerful piece of software, it's even possible to put 'stopped times' into each waypoint, which the device will take into account when calculating the journey time.
Now, I have no idea why the OP's device is working the way he's described it. But I can maybe start to guess:
(1) It's maybe doing no more than he has asked it to. He asked it to take him to the first of his waypoints and it's done it. It's easy to guess that in plotting the route it took the preferences he'd given to his device. Sometimes that will follow the route he had in mind, sometimes it won't. If he wanted to go quickest time, straight down the motorway but had excluded motorways in his preferences, it may well take him goat tracking.
(2) He maybe set up very few viapoints between points 1, 2, 3 and 4. Whilst the preferences on his computer took him via the wavy line, his device may well see it differently, according to the preferences he's set his device to.
(3) He is maybe running the route some distance away from point 1. If he is, it will - most times - override the route and do what it is he's asked it do.... Take me to point 4, for example.
The Nav V is a very good GPS device, married to some very powerful software, BaseCamp. Both can and will work seamlessly together if bods are prepared to learn. It is plug and play.... but it has some powerful capabilities - and they are becoming more powerful with the latest US devices - which can lead to some confusion, particularly if bods do not use the device (or the software) that often.
DJ GSA
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This doesnt work. I had loads of shaping points in my route. When you select the route from the Trip Planner, is asks to select the destination, then ignores everything else and plots a route to that point, regardless of what other points are included
DJ GSA
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Apologies if I've missed something or going over old ground here - new to the forum and all that
Is your NavV set to motorcycle or car i.e. is it showing a car or bike at the top of the screen?
I've got a 590 and I had similar problems when I first got it: I'd create a route in Basecamp, upload it onto the 590, set it to go and it would take me on a completely different route.
I spoke to a mate who was in the know and he told me the 'motorbike' setting almost always takes a different route and that changing to 'car' setting overcomes this. I've been doing this ever since on my 590 and never had an issue and don't have to worry about other settings.
I picked up a new 1200GSA last week but not had a chance to try the NavV yet, so no idea if this motorbike/car setting thing is an issue with this model.
Like I say, this could be going over old ground and not helpful at all. Hope it is but if it isn't, thanks for reading anyway
"Motorcycle" Setting in basecamp and on NavV
OP can you attach the route to this thread, please. We can then all have a look at it. It will hopefully cut out some of the guesswork.
If it's too large to post, host it on something like DropBox and post the link.
Thank you.
Richard
If it's too large to post, host it on something like DropBox and post the link.
Thank you.
Richard
DJ GSA
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The route isn't the problem I am convinced the NavV works differently.
Here is the route
(might be the wrong one I have created so many versions trying to resolve this)
Try any route, any format and you get the same result (gdb, gpx, kml, csv).
I challenge anybody to actually do this and get it to work. Step by step instructions please. (I am at the end of my tether)
Try is for yourselves, every time it asks where you want to go then ignores all data and routes to that place regardless of your settings, in app or on device, and plots its own route.
What I need it not to do is recalculate. I can understand it asking me where I want to go
I recall on my Z660 it used to ask if I wanted to "Navigate to Start Point" when you picked a route, then it would faithfully follow whatever route I had put in.
The NavV doesn't exhibit the same behaviour.
Other than the thumbwheel attachment on my GSA my old Z660 is looking like a much better device (cos my mobile phone Bluetooth worked with that as well where as the NavV doesn't)
The NavV is looking like a real step backwards for me.
The Grey One
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There are now 3 motorcycling settings in Basecamp, all can be modified by the user. Maybe you could check which one you are using. There is also a tickbox for"always match the route to the map on my device when transferring" Have you tried ticking that?
John
I'll try and have a look at it tonight.
DJ GSA
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Nope, ticking that box didn't work either
Neither did any settings car or motorcycle. There are 3 settings
Motorcycle
Motorcycle - Fastest
Motorcycle - Slowest
The route still recalculates regardless of any combination of settings.
Yellow Peril
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Well there you are wrong, had a very lengthy conversation with a Garmin Tech face to face and the map version can make a difference. I checked it out and was quite correct. Changing the map version can change their code which in turn can affect where things can go.
Aha I think I know the problem, are you activating the route ready to ride?
If so when you select the route to start it the gps gives you a list of waypoints to select either the first, second etc till destination. If you select the first regardless of how many shaping point are before it it will navigate to that waypoint the fastest time (if fastest time is you desired calculation) then it will follow the desired route till the destination.
If you select the lets say Fifth waypoint half way through your route it will take you to that point ignoring all waypoints and shaping points before it then continue along the desired route.
If you select the destination it will ignore the entire route and calculate you to the destination the fastest time
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My suggestion is put a waypoint very close to the start of the route, and select it when the route is activated the gps will take you there then guide you along with he desired route.
Shaping points are ignored when selecting routing when starting a route so use a waypoint first then shaping points.
Remember to use skip function if the gps won't release the waypoint as you pass it.
Yellow Peril
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Have you checked your map versions are the same
I typed a lengthy answer then the site crashed so i will have another go
I have looked at the route and note that there are no way points just shaping points that will not alert on arival so can i suggest that in the first instance the start and end of the route are proper way points.
I do not know where your actual start point is to navigate to the start of the route but assume that it is your home. If when prompted you select the way point at the start of the route the unit should take you there on a route of its choosing depending on what settings and avoidances etc you have determined. from there on it should slavishly follow the route you have designed but the route has to have an end point and a start ( please read my post on how i do it in post 4 it may help or solve your problem.)
If there is no actual start and end just shaping points the poor device will get confused !
If you are parked up at the start point you have in your route and it then asks where you wish to go you are either not quite at the point you plotted so you can just select the next point on your list but again it will take you there its own way then pick up the route.
when you transfer the route from P`c to device when you unplug it from the PC it should prompt you as to if you wish to import the new route into trips in apps
I have looked at the route and note that there are no way points just shaping points that will not alert on arival so can i suggest that in the first instance the start and end of the route are proper way points.
I do not know where your actual start point is to navigate to the start of the route but assume that it is your home. If when prompted you select the way point at the start of the route the unit should take you there on a route of its choosing depending on what settings and avoidances etc you have determined. from there on it should slavishly follow the route you have designed but the route has to have an end point and a start ( please read my post on how i do it in post 4 it may help or solve your problem.)
If there is no actual start and end just shaping points the poor device will get confused !
If you are parked up at the start point you have in your route and it then asks where you wish to go you are either not quite at the point you plotted so you can just select the next point on your list but again it will take you there its own way then pick up the route.
when you transfer the route from P`c to device when you unplug it from the PC it should prompt you as to if you wish to import the new route into trips in apps
The Grey One
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Practical experience of downloading routes to hundreds of different devices says otherwise.
John
The Grey One
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The more i look at it the more i believe the issue is start and end or lack of which is why i keep blathering on about reading the link to the thread on how i do it but you can take a horse to water........
The Grey One
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Must be something about IAM group route planners, one of the ones near me sends out routes that will recalculate differently. But at least they have a start and end point.
John
DJ GSA
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Have to say its more than likely I posted the wrong route file as I didn't name them in any kind of fashion I was into "trial and error" mode, so that might have been a red herring.
This option looks like its working (in the simulator at least)
1. I put a way point a few hundred meters from the start, when I get prompted to "Select Next Destination" I pick that way point.
2. The route (to the false waypoint) gets calculated as expected. However my original route when viewed is the same as original.
3. As soon as my device starts navigating I select the "Skip" function, the device then carries along my original route.
I probably would have got to that eventually but not before lots of hair pulling, shouting, cursing and throwing of stuff.
Thanks for that Jersey_GS you saved my sanity.
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