Navigator V Map problem

[Wapping]

From the earlier posts in this thread I was under the impression the OP had already checked all his settings, ensuring that the preferences were either off or set the same on both his Mac and GPS device. Never mind, we now know that the OP can work with BaseCamp, create full routes, transfer them to his device, display them and ultimately run them successfully.

He can now learn the difference between announced waypoints and simple unannounced shaping points. He can then employ their different qualities to shape his routes and / or better improve his whole use of the very powerful BaseCamp software and his equally powerful GPS device. Similarly, he can start to learn how the use of 'preferences' can indeed be used to make some automatic plotting tasks easier.

It may have been a bumpy road for him to travel so far but he's stuck with it, with help from bods here.

 

[The Grey One]

I plot my own routes so decide which roads I use, not BaseCamp or my device. The problems on this thread were caused by having different avoidances on BaseCamp & the device. They need to be as close as possible to avoid recalculations as the op was experiencing. Unchecking them all from the start means new users especially can start with a level playing field.

I agree it might make things easier if settings match but I do think not using avoidances on a device means you are handing more control not less to that device. I too like to plan my own routes and decide which roads I ride,that's one reason I use avoidances. By telling the device that I want, for instance, to not use unpaved roads I am exerting some of that control.

When I plan a route (in Mapsource) I try to put enough via points along the way so that there is little chance of any recalculation causing problems. If I intend to share a route with someone who uses Basecamp I will firstly open the route in Basecamp make a copy and get it to recalculate. This is a good test of the route plan,if the recalculated copy route differs from the original them more via points might be needed.

I learnt years ago, and from hard experience, that time spent on careful route planning is repaid many times over out on the road. I now find that I can plan routes to my taste, using roads I select and transfer these to my device in the knowledge that they will be unchanged by my device. I always use the auto recalculation feature as I want to concentrate on my riding and not have to work out how to get back on my route. As my device settings match my needs the device will work it out get me back on the route without using the type of roads I don't want. One advantage of this I that I can divert off my planned route at will without the need to take any action. The device will simply work it out and direct me back onto the planned route without changing the rest of that route. To me that seems more liberating than having to either stare at the screen to work out how to continue or having to press buttons to get the device to do something it can do for me anyway.

To refer back to the OP's route, it has waypoints rather than via points and several are not actually on the desired route. In use the OP would be told to visit all these points which will involve turning down side roads etc only to return to the expected route. Zooming right in on each point and correcting these errors would take far less time than that wasted on the route itself. There are also too few points to ensure that any device will follow the planned route. When I recalculated the route without avoidances set it changed to take in a stretch of motorway. I doubt that was the intention. I would suggest placing via points just after each junction.

It is regrettable that Garmin seem incapable of producing systems where there is a degree of consistency. On Mapsource the available avoidances do not match those on the device. On Basecamp the situation is even worse with it's road avoidances being entirely US based (Interstate, State Highways etc) whereas those on the device are more in line with European needs.

John

 

[Wapping]

. I now find that I can plan routes to my taste, using roads I select and transfer these to my device in the knowledge that they will be unchanged by my device.

Yet there is an entire thread devoted to why your device didn't do precisely that.

Did you ever establish the reason? Did you contact Garmin?

PS iand46's advice to the OP was spot on. For a new user, removing the possible variables that 'preference' settings brings, will often make life much easier, as the OP found out. Particularly true in the OP's case, where he'd (reasonably successfully) plotted his own route but was then getting very surprised when it looked very different on his device. He was similarly confused by another route he sent me where the route proffered up betwetween his home and the departure port was to him, bizarre. All down to the settings. Remove them and the problem went away. Now that he understands what the settings do, he can use them if he likes to, just as you do. If not, he can mimic iand46 and never touch them again. Powerful software, with lots of options available to suit all tastes and ability.

You only need to look at the number of 'My route does not go where I want it to' type posts to see the truth in that. Not least, when trying to help bods by answering their question as to why their route "Does not go the way they want it to", it helps if they can remove many of the self-set or automatic settings just to bring everyone to a common level.

 

[Tomcat]

Don't know if this is relevant but watching some Youtube videos on the subject of Basecamp, I'm sure I remember on one video, the author suggested that before transferring the route to your device, that if you change the activity profile on you computer to driving instead of motorcycling, the route will not get changed.

Don't take this as gospel , but costs nothing to try it.

If you change the activity profile in Basecamp, then Basecamp will ask if you want to recalculate the currently selected list of routes or all routes - 'all routes' means everything in the database so it takes time. DAMHIK!

 

[Tomcat]

I believe it was to do with the "tick boxes" that were set as part of my device settings from BC. I unchecked them all and it appears to have done something positive?!!!

So the key tick boxes were in the Edit/options/Device transfer? You've now unticked all 3 boxes in the 'Transferring Routes' section? This is how my software is set, and everything works fine (and my maps are on SD card too...). If you check the option to strip out shaping points on transfer, then at the first recalculation (eg import into the routes app) the route will be freshly calculated by the Nav V, between waypoints. It's an odd option to have in Basecamp!

 

[iand46]

If you change the activity profile in Basecamp, then Basecamp will ask if you want to recalculate the currently selected list of routes or all routes - 'all routes' means everything in the database so it takes time. DAMHIK!

I use a Mac & have not seen this

I have many routes saved for car, bike & just plain walking, they never change nor do I get any prompt.

 

[The Grey One]

Yet there is an entire thread devoted to why your device didn't do precisely that.

Did you ever establish the reason? Did you contact Garmin?

PS iand46's advice to the OP was spot on. For a new user, removing the possible variables that 'preference' settings brings, will often make life much easier, as the OP found out. You only need to look at the number of 'My route does not go where I want it to' type posts to see the truth in that. Not least, when trying to help bods by answering their question as to why their route "Does not go the way they want it to", it helps if they can remove many of the self-set or automatic settings just to bring everyone to a common level.

I think you will find the thread was about a certain setting (the "Motorcycle" Transportation Mode) causing problems. Those problems were not to do with a route not transferring but instead with unexpected and frankly bizarre routing choices when such a route was recalculated. This occurred both in auto recalculate and non auto settings. It is therefore not a problem that can be solved by unticking any boxes and is not relevant to this particular thread. It was also impossible to test other than out on the road as you can't simulate what happens when you stray off a route by any other means. Since my device works as expected in "Car" transportation mode I just leave it as is and get on with life. You know as well as I that unless I telephone Garmin I will not get anywhere. Maybe I will be bored enough one day to brave the call queuing and talk to someone at Garmin but since I have a solution I somehow doubt I will bother.

I think a lot of the other posts you refer to are the result of people not creating routes with enough or correctly placed via points rather than any settings on devices. I maintain that a properly planned route will transfer as intended and that using avoidances make sense. Of course it makes sense to plan using similar settings but I like the fact that my device settings take precedence. It is after all these settings that can be adjusted out on the road should the need arise.

I feel getting people to disable useful functions is not addressing the real problem and as such does these people a disservice. In the case of the OP's route not having avoid motorways selected could result in the route changing to include a handy stretch of autobahn.. A few extra points along the desired route could have prevented this. As you and others have pointed out his route should have worked, did work on other devices and so there is another problem here.

I accept that you and others might want, for whatever reason, to untick all options but for me that just seems like an awful waste of the device's functionality. We are offered the chance to instruct the device of our own personal requirements so that as far as possible when in makes choices it does so according to our needs and not it's own agenda. The fact is these devices are making choices for us all the time even on a carefully planned route. Surely making use of such settings puts the user more in control. I find it amusing that people say they don't want the device to make all the decisions and yet they effectively allow the device more control by not instructing the thing in the first place. By unticking all boxes you are saying "you decide".

John

 

[Wapping]

I use a Mac & have not seen this

I have many routes saved for car, bike & just plain walking, they never change nor do I get any prompt.

Neither have I

 

[Tomcat]

Neither have I

Apologies, the recalculate option appears if you edit the routing preferences within a particular profile - at least, that's the case on the Win version of Basecamp

 

[leedude03]

As above basecamp on pc will only show this warning if the preference setting of each profile is different, if they are all the same this does not happen.

 

[stevebtan]

Did you get a resolution? have a friend with same problem

Have been trying to help a friend with similar problem. He has just picked up his LC with brand new Nav V. Routes correctly in Basecamp but not on device - start of route seems OK but after a little it seems to follow an approximation of 'straight line routing' that doesn't even follow the roads exactly.

On my Basecamp & device, it's fine. Checked all the obvious -maps, preferences etc - so have raised a support case with Garmin but interested in any feedback from other users

Cheers

Steve

 

[leedude03]

Have been trying to help a friend with similar problem. He has just picked up his LC with brand new Nav V. Routes correctly in Basecamp but not on device - start of route seems OK but after a little it seems to follow an approximation of 'straight line routing' that doesn't even follow the roads exactly.

On my Basecamp & device, it's fine. Checked all the obvious -maps, preferences etc - so have raised a support case with Garmin but interested in any feedback from other users

Cheers

Steve

Please provide a little more information, from what i am reading you are creating a route in basecamp, (using what pc/mac do you have the maps installed on the pc/mac, do you have the maps installed on the nav, what preferencs do you have set in basecamp and on the nav) and once the route is transfered to his nav from his computer you are getting a route that is nothing like the one you created in basecamp and transfered, but when you transfer the map to your unit (from where is the route coming from, have you remade the route on your computer or transfered it from his) it works fine on your basecamp and your nav, is this about right. could do with answers to the above.

 

[Wapping]

Obvious question.

What map does your friend's Nav V have istalled in it and is it selected (ticked) in the installed maps page of settings?

 

[leedude03]

Wappings post above will also apply to the maps on the computer do you have them selected