Navigator V Map problem

[Combatbarney]

Hi all,
I'm sure this is me being a techno biff but I've spent hours today trying to sort out my satnav. It needed an update so I bought an SD card for it and plugged it all in. Update took ages but looks to have been successful. My issue has come when I've started to plan (using Basecamp) my up and coming trip across the Alps. I've created all the tracks I want to follow and can view them in basecamp no problems, however when I go to "send to Device" they send over just fine but then they appear to change completely as to what I had created?
As an example - I planned to get on the ferry in Poole with my route as I would take it from my Home Address. The route on basecamp was the one I wanted, I send it to the device and it takes me a totally different way - still ending up at the agreed destination with no option to change it. I've checked trough the maps that are on the device and the Europe NT all and 3D ones are on it as is the more basic one.
It looks as if the device is running a more basic map pack from its own internal storage but the info i need, including the maps I want to use and have designed my trip on are saved on the SD card, don't seem to be able to be used by the device itself.
Any help at all would be great as i'm verging on throwing it out the window......
Cheers
Barney

 

[leedude03]

this is due to the way you have the settings set in basecamp compared to your nav settings, i dont have the nav v, wapping is your man, or some one will be along to tell you.

 

[Wapping]

Start at the beginning, easy ones to answer first:

1. Which maps are shown as 'ticked' (active) on your GPS device?

2. What are the routing preference settings of your GPS device set at?

3. You say you created 'tracks' on your computer, tracks which you want to follow. Do you mean 'routes' as opposed to tracks?

 

[Combatbarney]

Morning Guys and thanks of the replies so far.
In answer to the questions I've tried it two ways with various maps being ticked. My options are:
CN Europe NTU 2017.10 ALL (Ticked)
Europe DEM (currently not ticked but has been with no change)
CN Europe NTU 2017.10 3D (Ticked

The routing preferences I've also adjusted, currently set back to "faster time" but I have tried it on "curvy roads" (If I designed a track with the option for curvy roads would it not automatically adjust that setting?)

What I've done is firstly created a folder with all the info set for "Europe trip 2016" within that folder I have my waypoints - being the places I want to get too mainly, but I am doing the romantic highway so have put a number of separate waypoints to show it as one one route (my apologies should've said route not track....doh). I've then "create a route" and dragged and dropped the starting waypoint and the finishing waypoint to the box that appears asking for the information. After this I move the track line about to fit with where I actually want to go and then send it to the device. The romantic road has come up as a right mess....i know it's something I'm doing but man alive its frustrating!!!

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Start at the beginning, easy ones to answer first:

1. Which maps are shown as 'ticked' (active) on your GPS device?

2. What are the routing preference settings of your GPS device set at?

3. You say you created 'tracks' on your computer, tracks which you want to follow. Do you mean 'routes' as opposed to tracks?

 

[RedRick Esq.]

You mention the route looking a right mess

is it trying to take you back on yourself and going all over the place as opposed to just going along the road the way you want ?

If so have a look at where you have dropped way points or shaping points if you have dragged the route around a bit as they have to be accurately placed otherwise the stupid device will try and take you to the way pint regardless E.G if you have dropped a way point on the wrong side of a dual carriageway.

check that the settings on your PC and device are the same ( exactly the same)

read this it may help http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php/396216-Basecamp-and-Nav-5-My-way

 

[Combatbarney]

Hi Redrick,
In parts, yes it is doing this. However, the first and most basic part of my route is from my Home address to the ferry terminal in Poole. The route I want to take, and have put into basecamp appears on the map screen with no problems. weirdly, If I select the SD card option at the top right of the screen, with the Europe map option, the route is what I want, if I select the device, which has the DEM map attached to it, the route changes to the one I don't want to use (although it is probably quicker) The detail is also less on this map. When I then send the file to my device, the only option I get given is the route for the DEM map.....I've unchecked that option on the device itself to try and persuade it to use the Europe 2017 version but it just won't change.
as for the waypoints, yep, went through them in some detail, for instance the romantic road, and made sure the route followed the exact route that is advertised passing through the various towns and villages. The route, again on basecamp looks good, put it into the device and it's nothing like what I designed. Did the pictures above work? I'm fairly sure it's a map issue that as yet I haven't sorted out? I want to be good at stuff like this!!!

 

[Andy63]

Why not as a quick fix remove the maps from your Nav V that are not giving you the intended route? This is not the answer but you can resolve this after your trip.

 

[Wapping]

Thank you for post #4.

I can't see the pictures, at least not on my iPad.

Redrick may well be right but let's see if it's something else.

On your Nav V, can you tell us what the settings are in Navigation. Get to this by: Home screen > Settings > Navigation

What are the settings for:

Calculation mode? Do us a favour and leave this on Faster Time, just for now to remove one of the variables.

Avoidances?

Custom Avoidances? None should be set


One more question: When you pulled the route on your computer to make it follow the roads between A (your start point) and B (your finish point) how did you fix the points? Was it:

(i) With announced 'Waypoints'

(ii) With unannounced 'Shaping points'

(iii) A mixture of both

Can you do us one big favour, please. Can you put the route you created into something like Dropbox and share it with us, please. That way we'll be able to look at it on our computers (I use a Mac) and then put it onto our Nav V's to see what happens. I have more than one Nav V, so if I can get your route to display properly on each we should be able to narrow down where the problem lies quicker.

To answer your question about how a Nav V might alter a route between waypoints and shaping points. Invariably is very often all down to preferences. Here's an example:

Each time you import and then display a route on your device, there is always a chance of some recalculation. The trick, if there is one, is to reduce the chances of this happening, most often by reducing all the settings / preferences on your computer AND on your device to as few as possible and - if possible - making them exactly the same on both.

Let's say you created a route from A to E via B, C, D where the letters B, C and D are points that you have created in order to force a route to take certain roads. If the settings on your device are different than those on your computer AND there is an opportunity for your device to act on your instruction to apply certain preferences you have set, in a word, it will. For example, if you have set your device's preferences to 'Avoid Motorway' and to take 'Windy roads' and between C and D you had hoped to take a stretch of motorway, your device may well defer to its preferences setting which (don't forget) you set. The device will still route you between C and D and on to your end point at E but between C and D it will do its very best to avoid the motorway between C and D if it can, and if it can route yiu down what it decides are windy roads, it will; as that is what you have told it you (through your preference settings) would prefer it to do.

How do I know this? Easy; from experience. For example, I created a simple route of from A, a hotel in France, via B (a single shaping point on the southbound carriageway of a nearby motorway) via C, a shaping point on the first sensible road at the junction I wanted to leave the motorway at, to D, a drink stop. My device ran the route fine, as did two of my friends' devices. One other friend moaned that his device was near enough fine until we passed through point B, on the southbound carriageway of the motorway. Thereafter his device kept on instructing him to leave the motorway at each junction and ride alternative roads right to point C. The reason? He had his device's preferences set to avoiding motorways and favouring windy roads. He also had it set to auto-recalculate. So, the device did exactly what he asked it to.... It calculated routes between B and C that avoided motorways.

It had no choice but to go through B, on the motorway. Thereafter it did its very best to join point C to point B by avoiding motorways at every opportunity.

 

[Combatbarney]

Thanks Wapping. Certainly sounds like you know what you're on about!
A plus is I also use an imac computer. I will tonight get home and fire it all up again. I am going to need a large glass of wine to keep from getting stroppy with it....
I did go through and set everything to match both on the mac and on the device. As for dropbox - would it be easier to send it to you via email directly? I'd be interested to see what the romantic road looks like on your device?
How do I actually go about "removing the maps" I don't want off the actual device? I have 18 days till I depart.

 

[Wapping]

You can't PM me your email address, so post it in this thread, please.

DropBox is easy. It works and it's free.

 

[Combatbarney]

You can't PM me your email address, so post it in this thread, please.

DropBox is easy. It works and it's free.

barnabasandrews @ Hotmail . com

 

[Andy63]

have a look here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za9X_IeJsPY not a Nav V but the process is similar.

You can simply untick the map rather than remove it. see if that works Settings - Map & Vehicle - My maps

 

[Wapping]

I have sent you an email.

Quick question: Is your Nav V new or is it one you have bought secondhand, from some bod who just might have sought to 'improve' it?

PS Don't go about removing maps. We have enough to do working out what your problem is, without having to start something else.

 

[DJ GSA]

I had a similar problem and the brainiacs on here gave me a nice little cheat.

No need to mess about with maps. You only need to ensure the latest maps are on at least your nav-v

You can also download the maps to your PC or just plug the nav-v in (via usb) when creating your route. basecamp with use the nav-v maps if they aren't on your pc

(if you have the disc space download the maps to your pc, there isn't any extra cost)

Create your desired route on basecamp exactly as you want it. But a few meters after the start point, put in another waypoint, make sure its announced and not just a shaping point

Download the route to the nav-v in the usual way and import it using the trip planner

When you select the route to navigate on your nav-v, select that first waypoint as where you want to go.

DONT select the end point, the nav-v will always recalculate the route I could find no way to stop it doing that despite all and the best advice from here

Once you've driven past that point your nav-v will follow your route faithfully, announcing turn-by-turn etc, and even navigate you back on track if you miss a turn (if you have that option turned on)

This probably isn't the way to do it but it works for me every time and saves me faffing about with trying to match settings on basecamp and/or the nav-v

 

[Decompressing]

boy, I wish my routes were that complicated to get (correctly) on to my Nav V with Motogoloco....maybe I should change to that Mapsource thing-sounds like I'd get hours more fun playing around with it!!

 

[Wapping]

I had a similar problem and the brainiacs on here gave me a nice little cheat.

No need to mess about with maps. You only need to ensure the latest maps are on at least your nav-v

You can also download the maps to your PC or just plug the nav-v in (via usb) when creating your route. basecamp with use the nav-v maps if they aren't on your pc

(if you have the disc space download the maps to your pc, there isn't any extra cost)

Create your desired route on basecamp exactly as you want it. But a few meters after the start point, put in another waypoint, make sure its announced and not just a shaping point

Download the route to the nav-v in the usual way and import it using the trip planner

When you select the route to navigate on your nav-v, select that first waypoint as where you want to go.

DONT select the end point, the nav-v will always recalculate the route I could find no way to stop it doing that despite all and the best advice from here

Once you've driven past that point your nav-v will follow your route faithfully, announcing turn-by-turn etc, and even navigate you back on track if you miss a turn (if you have that option turned on)

This probably isn't the way to do it but it works for me every time and saves me faffing about with trying to match settings on basecamp and/or the nav-v

boy, I wish my routes were that complicated to get (correctly) on to my Nav V with Motogoloco....maybe I should change to that Mapsource thing-sounds like I'd get hours more fun playing around with it!!

You two have, I think, missed the point. The OP has managed to apparently successfully create a route in BaseCamp (something alone that raises him above pond life) and transferred it to his device, something that others struggle with. His problem appears to be that the route displayed on his device carries little or no resemblence to that created on his computer.

Now, if you can solve that one problem we'll all be cooking on gas.

 

[Combatbarney]

The nav came with my bike, the bike had 500 miles on it when i bought it, other than the normal data stored on the device around where its been, it doesn't appear to have much on it. That said, a full factory reset maybe of use???

I have sent you an email.

Quick question: Is your Nav V new or is it one you have bought secondhand, from some bod who just might have sought to 'improve' it?

PS Don't go about removing maps. We have enough to do working out what your problem is, without having to start something else.

 

[Combatbarney]

something alone that raises him above pond life
Wow - I've been promoted

 

[DJ GSA]

You two have, I think, missed the point. The OP has managed to apparently successfully create a route in BaseCamp (something alone that raises him above pond life) and transferred it to his device, something that others struggle with. His problem appears to be that the route displayed on his device carries little or no resemblence to that created on his computer.

Now, if you can solve that one problem we'll all be cooking on gas.

Ah sorry

I assumed he had the same problem as I had. Can the OP confirm/deny please. How are you viewing the route on the nav-v once transferred ?

As far as I am aware the route should be exactly the same unless the nav-v recalculates it, or you ask it to.

From my experience the nav-v will show the route exactly as planned regardless of what maps are on the device, obviously it might not line up to roads etc.

It will then reclculate and navigate as best it can with what ever maps and route information is available

Simply transferring a route (in my experience) should not recalculate the route. But that said you can view a route "as is" without navigating it or recalculating it

 

[Decompressing]

You two have, I think, missed the point. The OP has managed to apparently successfully create a route in BaseCamp (something alone that raises him above pond life) and transferred it to his device, something that others struggle with. His problem appears to be that the route displayed on his device carries little or no resemblence to that created on his computer.

Now, if you can solve that one problem we'll all be cooking on gas.

So let me get this right then, does that mean you are pond life if you don't use the software that takes hours and ultimately means you have to end up coming on a forum to ask for help in getting it to work?

'The OP has managed to apparently successfully create a route in BaseCamp'.......er, not that successfully by all accounts, else he'd be out riding his route on his motorcycle and none of us would be any the wiser!

I love this logic!!!