Need a service? That will be $5000 please.

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Its been a while since I posted but I am fuming with my new local dealer. If can stand to read my tale of woe, I'd be grateful for some perspective and advice from fellow tossers.

March 2008 I got my brand new F800GS from SLM. Great sale, great support.
January 2009 it came to pass that I moved permanently to Singapore. With a hefty loan on my UK bike and prices in Singapore about 50% higher than the Uk, I realised that importing it was a cost effective option.

Before the import I went to speak to the local, sole dealer in Singapore. Talk about the import, build a relationship, get it serviced here as soon as it landed to check it over after transit etc. They reset the service indicator FOC no problems.

This week I emailed them about the 2yr service price and new shoes. Turns out that since 1st jan 2010, they have new guidelines for self/parallel imported bikes.

1) A non-refundable 'registration fee' must be paid to register the bike with the local dealer - $5000 or about 2,200 quid. Thats A QUARTER of the value of the bike, when new in the UK!
2) Any servicing is charged at list price PLUS 25% surcharge.

Ok, financially that is never going to happen. I can go to ex-BMW mechanics here and get the work done or maybe ride to Malaysia for servicing. I kind of accepted to forego any warranty when I did the import.

So...am I right to be fucking outraged and fuming mad with BMW? Local dealer claims this is with "approval from BWM AG".

I understand they want to discourage parallel imports, but mine was a year old when it came over FFS.

Any idea who to write to at BMW AG to get more of a response other than "I understand your disappointment".

Thanks in advance,

Twist
 
If you're interested, here is the new T&C for self/parallel imports from the Singapore dealer:

GUIDELINES FOR PARALLEL IMPORTED MOTORCYCLES
The following guidelines which are effective from 1 January 2010, apply when you service your Self/Parallel Imported BMW
motorcycles at **** ****:

1. All works performed are subjected to a surcharge of 25% on top of the normal retail rate.

2. All warranty works will be chargeable to you (the customer) at the same rate as point 1, including all applicable taxes upon completion. Upon
approval from factory, PML shall reimburse you based on the amount credited from the factory*. (*Amount credited by factory will be
different from the amount chargeable to you. Therefore, the reimbursement of warranty works value will be lower than the payment made.
Reimbursement is also subject to prevailing currency exchange rate.)

3. A non-refundable registration fee of $5,000** for all new registrations with PML. All owners will be notified by post of their approved
applications before work commencement. (**Subject to changes without prior notice.)

4. All applicants must submit the following documents:
a. Vehicle Sales Invoice/s (from an official BMW Importer or Dealer) from the country of origin;
b. Service Booklet and Service Invoices (where applicable, to prove that an official BMW Importer or Dealer has carried out all
maintenance as per BMW recommendation)


TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF REPAIR/ SERVICE FOR SELF/ PARALLEL IMPORTED MOTORCYCLES

The following sets out the terms, conditions (supplemented by the terms and conditions in the attached Company’s Repair Order) relating to the provision of Works by the Company for or on behalf of the Customer.
1. The term “Company” shall mean**** ****.
2. The term “the Customer” shall mean the person who is the registered owner of the parallel imported motorcycle or the duly authorized servant or agent of the registered owner.
3. The term “Works” herein shall mean all works carried out or materials supplied by the Company pursuant to the Work Repair Order for and on behalf of the Customer including, without limitation, all parts,
components, accessories, repairs, maintenance, supply of labour and specialized tools.
4. By requesting the Company to carry out the Works, including warranty works as provided by BMW’s warranty, the Customer authorizes the Company to do all acts and things that are in the opinion of the
Company necessary or desirable to carry out and complete the Works. The Customer may not withdraw a request for the Works to be done or call for the Works to cease before completion unless the Company
otherwise agrees in writing. The Company may order such items including replacement parts, manuals, or special tools to carry out the Works. The Customer agrees to bear and pay in advance the full costs for
such items, including freight and taxes. Unless agreed to by the Company in writing, the title to such items (save for replacement parts prepaid by the Customer) shall not pass to the Customer and shall be with
the company.
5. The Customer shall bear all applicable taxes (Governmental or otherwise) including other taxes at the point in time when the Works are completed.
6. The Company shall use its best endeavours but shall not be obliged to assist the Customer in processing the warranty claim under BMW’s warranty terms and conditions. Should BMW Motorrad (the
“Manufacturer”) disapprove the claim, you agree that the Company shall not be liable to you in any way for any dispute or refusal over the scope of BMW’s warranty terms and conditions or of any time delay
caused by the Manufacturer in processing such claims.
7. The acceptance of the Customer’s request for the provision of the Works shall be at the sole discretion of the Company. The Company may at any time and for any reason whatsoever cease or refuses to provide
or continue to provide the Works.
8. The Customer warrants to the Company that he has the authority to request the Company to carry out the Works. Where the Customer is acting as an agent in requesting the provision of the Works, then the
Customer agrees to be jointly and severally liable with its principal for all amounts payable to the Company arising out of the Works.
9. The Customer agrees that the Company has the sole discretion to impose a surcharge of 25% on top of the Company’s usual charges for similar services and materials supplied to motorcycle sold by the
Company and/or its related companies. Prices or rates quoted are in Singapore dollars and exclusive of all taxes, duties or charges imposed by any government, statutory authority or agency.
10. Although every effort shall be made by the Company to comply with estimates concerning the time of completion of the Works, the Company shall not be responsible for any delay whatsoever or howsoever
occurring including those arising out of fire, flood, storm, breakdown of equipment, absence of necessary personnel, interruption of any public utility service, non-availability of spare parts or any other cause
whatsoever beyond the control of the Company.
11. The Company shall provide a 7 day warranty (commencing from the date the Customer collects the motorcycle from the Company) in respect of its workmanship. SUCH WARRANTY SHALL BE EXCLUSIVE OF
ALL OTHER WARRANTIES EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. In no event shall the Company be liable in contract, tort, negligence or otherwise for any loss or damage (including any consequential, indirect, special or
economic loss or damage) which arises out of or in connection with the Works including, without limitation, any negligent act or omission on the part of the Company, its employees, agents and/or servants or,
subcontractors. In any event, the entire liability of the Company for any claim of any nature in respect of the Works shall be limited to the sums charged or chargeable by the Company in respect of the Works.
The exclusion and limitation shall not apply in respect of personal injuries or death for which the Company is legally liable.
12. The Customer agrees to pay the full invoiced price, plus all other amount payable to the Company under these terms and conditions and/ or the Repair Order, relating to or arising out of the Works, after which
(but not before) the motorcycle (upon which the Works have been carried out) will be available for collection by the Customer. Unless otherwise agreed in writing by the Company, if the Customer fails to pay the
full invoiced price of the Works within the period stated on the Company’s invoice the Customer shall be liable to pay interest on the amount at the rate of 1% per month (or part thereof) from its due date for
payment until the amount outstanding (plus interest) has been paid in full.
13. Before making payment and subject to Clause 12 above, the Customer must inspect the Works and satisfy himself that the Works have been carried out in a proper and satisfactory manner. Unless notice to the
contrary is given to the Company immediately on collection of the motorcycle, the Customer is conclusively deemed to have accepted that the Works have been carried out in a proper and satisfactory manner.
Thereafter, the Company shall not be liable for any claims of unsatisfactory workmanship or claims of damage caused during the Works.
14. No attempted or purported variation of these terms and conditions shall be effective, unless the company accepts such variation in writing which expressly refers to the variation or amendment. In the event that
the terms and conditions herein should conflict with those set out under the terms and conditions of repair as stated in the Repair Order, the terms and conditions herein shall prevail.
15. The Customer shall collect the motorcycle within 48 hours from the date the Company notifies the Customer, (whether orally or otherwise), that the motorcycle is ready for collection. In the event that the
Customer fails to collect the motorcycle within the 48 hours, the Customer shall, in addition to the costs of the Repairs owing to the Company pay all storage charges, at a rate to be determined by the Company
provided always that the Customer shall not, under any circumstances, hold the Company liable for any loss of or damage to the motorcycle, its contents or accessories or for any deterioration in the quality of or
damage to the motorcycle arising from such storage. In the event that the Customer fails to collect the motorcycle for more than 14 days, the Company shall be entitled, at its absolute discretion, to dispose of
the motorcycle & deduct, from the proceeds of disposal, the Company’s costs in connection with the disposal as well as all other monies owing to the Company.
16. The Customer shall indemnify and keep the Company fully indemnified from and against all claims, demands, suits, proceedings, damages, losses, costs and expenses of any nature whatsoever (including legal
costs and expenses on a solicitor and client basis) which the Customer may suffer or incur as a result of any breach by the Customer of his obligations hereunder and/or that of the Repair Order. For the avoidance
of doubt, the Customer shall also be liable and shall indemnify the Company against all costs and expenses incurred by the Company in obtaining or endeavouring to obtain payment of any or all sums of money
payable hereunder or in repossessing or endeavouring to repossess the motorcycle. The Customer further agrees to indemnify, save and hold harmless the Company, its employees, agents and/or servants from
any costs, liability, damage and expense claimed or incurred by reason of injury, death of any person, damage or destruction or loss of use of property, directly or indirectly arising from the Works, storage or any
other matters related to the Customer’s motorcycle.
17. A person who is not a party to the terms and conditions to this form and that of the Repair Order shall have no right under the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 2001 to enforce any of the said terms.
18. This Agreement shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of for the time being in force in Singapore. The Customer and the Company hereto irrevocably submit to the jurisdiction of the
Singapore courts.
 
The 'non-refundable registration fee' is clearly another way of saying 'fek off - we don't want your business'.
The obviously realise this is going to piss people off. I wouldn't bother my arse telling them as much.
I would just get it serviced at a reputable workshop and keep your fingers crossed.

If you are worried about expensive failures - there's nothing to stop you taking out a warranty.
 
I'd do all I could to learn the basic service stuff myself. How long will be out there for and how much will you use the bike?

If you're there for a while I'd suggest taking the hit on buying a more expensive 2nd hand model, which when sold by you will still have the higher price, so reducing your overall expense. If you see what I mean.
 
@Aberdeen Angus - good points. I guess people have to get servicing/repairs at BMW for warranty claims, but I would rather pay $5000 for broken plastics than to have these thieves touch my bike. I'm looking for another workshop now, but finding one with the BMW diagnostic PC is a different story.

@ExpatinIstanbul - I guess I know most of the basics...but not enough to bleed ABS brakes, for instance or mess with the PC. I am aiming to swap my own chain/sprockets etc, but I don't know engine stuff!

In terms of selling the bike, this new policy is not widely known in Singapore. I could sell my bike now at the same price as other 2nd hand models...but would feel dishonest doing that. I really, really want to sell it now and go to KTM with my readies.
 
There must be a good sized expat community out there, maybe another Brit would buy it with the intention of repatriating it at some point.
 
Why are you having worries about scruples when you've just been fcked over. ;)

By the way - i don't see what the problem is here - just ride it, change the oil and filter on time and tyres and pads when needed and you won't need to touch the engine.

who needs warranty ?
 
Hi Matt,

Good to hear from you.

I feel a bit guilty here as I sold you the bike. Would you like me to fly out and hit someone? :)
 
Hey K75, don't feel guilty, your service was impeccable! No complaints there. My problem is with the Singapore BMW dealer....any suggestions for who at BMW AG I can write to?
 
:

GUIDELINES FOR PARALLEL IMPORTED MOTORCYCLES
The following guidelines which are effective from 1 January 2010, apply when you service your Self/Parallel Imported BMW
motorcycles at **** ****:

1. All works performed are subjected to a surcharge of 25% on top of the normal retail rate.

2. All warranty works will be chargeable to you (the customer) at the same rate as point 1, including all applicable taxes upon completion. Upon
approval from factory, PML shall reimburse you based on the amount credited from the factory*. (*Amount credited by factory will be
different from the amount chargeable to you. Therefore, the reimbursement of warranty works value will be lower than the payment made.
Reimbursement is also subject to prevailing currency exchange rate.)

3. A non-refundable registration fee of $5,000** for all new registrations with PML. All owners will be notified by post of their approved
applications before work commencement. (**Subject to changes without prior notice.)

4. All applicants must submit the following documents:
a. Vehicle Sales Invoice/s (from an official BMW Importer or Dealer) from the country of origin;
b. Service Booklet and Service Invoices (where applicable, to prove that an official BMW Importer or Dealer has carried out all
maintenance as per BMW recommendation)

I can't quite get my head around this because it looks like they want this to service the bike & at the same time to honour the warranty. I mean, why ask for proof of where the bike has come from AND all previous service history from BMW unless its to maintain the warranty :nenau

IF they want to charge 25% to service a parallel import then I guess thats there prerogative. They could claim that the variances betweeen models from different markets mean they have to be more careful buying / fitting parts which costs them time & money. Whatever . BUT the $5000 surcharge seems MAD. Is the business doing that well that they can afford to say we dont need your business , we don't want to maintain your bike :confused:

I would have thought that the opportunity to make an extra 25% on you everytime you come in is nice business to have.:blast
 
This bit

" A non-refundable registration fee of $5,000** for all new registrations with PML. "

may not be appplicable as you already ahave used them and the bike is on their records so not a new one at all.

Worth a try?
 
Hey K75, don't feel guilty, your service was impeccable! No complaints there. My problem is with the Singapore BMW dealer....any suggestions for who at BMW AG I can write to?

The National Customer Service Manager for the UK is Jane Noble [email protected]. We only talk to BMW UK so have no contact details for the factory. Sorry I can't help.
 
Funnily enough on the skoda forum there is a chap in egypt with the same problem as this.

TC
 
Not just for servicing in Turkey. The various taxes imposed on vehicles means they are far more expensive than anywhere in Europe, and probably in many places in the world. 24,500 Euros for a GSA anyone?
 


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