Need off road tuition

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I have also posted on the very old BMW course thread - but in case I put it in the wrong place.

Can anyone recommend and AFFORDABLE place to get some off road training please? The BMW course is for me, £500 for the weekend, represents a huge amount of money, it is as much I usually have for our holidays for the year - but I have been saving for a couple of years, it was for going on a trip to Sri Lanka, where we used to live (only it was Ceylon then) and we were going to rent a motorbike out there and explore a bit by bike. I love the thought of doing some of the holiday type trips you see, but I found the gravel roads in The Faroes very daunting and it has made me realise I need to know how to ride on stuff other than tarmac. There were roads I got part way along and bottled out and turned and came back because of my lack of confidence and ability on loose surface with tyre ridges and where the rain had created little gutters. I was on Tourance tyres which I didn't find that grippy on these gravel roads, but I then don't know how to use them. I have never been a hero, I cover long distances and do it as economically as possible, I have got 105,000 out of the clutch on my 1150 Adv so far and no reason why it won't do another 50,000 yet, but riding on gravel roads with the tyres slipping just frightened the hell out of me.

So, what I am really asking is are there other alternatives to give me the tuition that I need to get some confidence to take the bike off the tarmac. Wet grass on a campsite fills me with dread at the moment - to the point I will leave it at the gate on hard standing and walk in with my kit, rather than risk dropping it trying to ride across the field.

What can people recommend please? I am not new to riding, I ride my bike all year round and have been riding as my main means of transport for 40 odd years. Probably very badly though judging by what I have seen on the videos - I would never dream of being able to ride like that. All ideas very welcome. Thanks.
 
Try Trailquest. Richard is just off the M50 by Malvern and a days offroading would probably cost you around £200 for a 1:1 jobbie if you use your own bike. They use Triunph 800 XCx's if don't fancy risking yours, but obviously tbe cost wod be more. They do all of Triumph's offroad training. I had a day with him and really enjoyed it.
 
Bring it up to North Wales for the day, there's plenty of easy suitable trails. :beerjug:
 
Bring it up to North Wales for the day, there's plenty of easy suitable trails. :beerjug:

I appreciate that - there are in the Peaks close to me too - but I wouldn't dare to go anywhere near them at the moment. A camping field has me really tense and if it is wet I won't even try it - I can't afford to drop my bike, ever. I have got away with it falling off the stand once or twice, but then had to wait until I got help to pick it up again. I have tried the handlebar lever method and I can't even shift it an inch.
 
I don't know if I would be good enough to do that in the video. How do you stop the wheels from sliding away? I wouldn't be going faster than 10mph on stuff like that. Probably not that fast. Those potholes and ridges are what make me really uneasy.

Believe me I'm shit on a bike & I managed it. It's not your bike, if you drop it so what. It was great fun & not as difficult as you'd imagine. You start the day with some easy tuition then in the afternoon hit the green lanes.
 
I don't know if I would be good enough to do that in the video. How do you stop the wheels from sliding away? I wouldn't be going faster than 10mph on stuff like that. Probably not that fast. Those potholes and ridges are what make me really uneasy.

That's the one I recommended.:thumb
 
Small and light is much better, especially when learning.
Being tense isn't good, let the bike sort itself out.
Having a bit of speed provides stability, momentum carries you through rather than using power and spinning up all the time.
There's only one way to find out....
 
Bring it up to North Wales for the day, there's plenty of easy suitable trails. :beerjug:

But try not to use the phrase 'off road', trail riding is far more PC, and it will not upset your insurance company should they get to hear of your quest.
 
The BMW ORS sounds a lot of money but I think that it is good value. If you opt to use a 1200 then it is similar to riding your 1150 especially if you turn off the ABS and traction control.

No good doing a course on a little bike and then expect your 1150 to feel the same.
 
I'd say ABW would be your best bet. Gaz will only teach you at the rate you are comfortable with. You may be pleasantly surprised to find that once the "rigid with fear" feeling that you describe has been eased on a smaller, more manageable bike, you will stand more of a chance with your own. Not only that, he's on your doorstep.
Mark
 
Many good points raised, thank you.

I agree about Manchester being just up the road, so a good option - so too is the Trailquest in Malvern, but they aren't open again until the spring, by which time I shall be flat out with work again, and the charity, and unable to go. Shame because it looks a lovely part of the country that I don't know at all. Peaks to start with perhaps - and there is a chap in the Chilterns, but I think more of a guide, I don't know. I think a beer with some off roadies to get some idea in the flesh would be sensible. My religion is holding me back - I am a devout coward. :surrender
 
My religion is holding me back - I am a devout coward. :surrender

You may jest, but that's closer to the mark than you might realise, much of your fear is in your head and that often makes for a tense and overly slow rider shutting the throttle at the wrong time.

It's all very understandable when attempting to ride a big heavy GS on slippy surfaces so at least make sure you have a front tyre that's up to it. As for riding a GS on wet grass with road tyres, no wonder you bottle out :D

You'd do better to forget riding the GS 'offroad' ;) for now, and learn the basic principles on a small bike ie. one that's not going to bite you, putting you off further :beerjug:
 
My advice would be just go for it! As has been said, start with a small bike and you won't regret it. It's great fun and it will improve your riding, both on and "off" road a great deal more than you think. Good luck.

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i2i http://www.i2imca.com/OffRoad.asp are excellent and their Off Road Experience day is a bargain at about £170 on a KTM (it may go up a bit in price for next year, I suppose). Not sure dates are available for next year. I'd recommend their Machine Control course(s) as a preliminary as they include riding over bumps & potholes without freaking out.

I'm crap off road but doing these courses made me much more relaxed and I routinely do stuff now I would have been very twitchy about. (No heroics: just the odd track, riding across fields, that sory of thing). Timolgra (not surprisingly) as pointed out above is entirely right, of course: it's all in your head...it took me a few days training before I believed it :-)
 


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