New Cameras on A40 Hanger Lane....

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Leaving town tonight, going north west on A40, through Hanger Lane underpass and overhanging the existing GATSO speed camera at the end of the slip road there is a newly erected yellow gantry.

This gantry has a bank of 4 or 5 small cameras facing you as you approach that look like the average speed ones now common on road works. :mad:

I rode back tonight (gingerly:D) looking for the second gantry but nothing obvious for a couple of miles either side, maybe they are still doing the instalation??
No average speed camera signs either...

Anyone know anything about these..???? :nenau
 
Not seen 'em (heading that way later today), but could be ANPR? They don't need to erect warning signs now in any case - the Partnerships can also use covert cameras if they choose. The old Camera Handbook got re-written when the DfT abdicated responsibility for their bastard child to local authorities...
 
They are more likely to be ANPR if they are that size. Are they forward facing? And does it cover both carriage ways?
The ANPR systems at roadworks were not designed as speed cameras, which is why they can be tricked if you swap lanes
 
They are more likely to be ANPR if they are that size. Are they forward facing? And does it cover both carriage ways?
The ANPR systems at roadworks were not designed as speed cameras, which is why they can be tricked if you swap lanes

Hi Teryon,
IIRC, they are forward facing (lens looking at you on approach), 5 small cameras and there is a new yellow gantry only, no cameras yet, that's being installed above the GATSO before the hanger lane exit ramp, on the eastbound carriageway.

Hi MMC,
Have a look as you go by today...?
When did the DfT pass the responsibility across to the the local authorities then..?? :nenau

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Hi Teryon,
IIRC, they are forward facing (lens looking at you on approach), 5 small cameras and there is a new yellow gantry only, no cameras yet, that's being installed above the GATSO before the hanger lane exit ramp, on the eastbound carriageway.

Hi MMC,
Have a look as you go by today...?
When did the DfT pass the responsibility across to the the local authorities then..?? :nenau

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It went over in April this year, and not much of a fanfare about it. The view in some circles is that the DfT realises cameras are a shambling failure as a road safety tool and a great success as a PR albatross, so they devolved responsibility to local authorities to draw the heat.

Lots of spin and bullshit right here :rolleyes:
 
These things are everywhere all of a sudden in London - keep your eyes in the sky - I go under about four sets on my way home, including one which is on the A104 Woodford High Road - a bit sinister looking, particularly given the sheer number of them that seem to be popping up.
 
its for the war on terror, theyre hoping all terrorist will register their cars

If that's what it's for, why don't the DVLA simply add a new section to the Log Book (and make it an offence not to fill it in) for use whenever ownership of a vehicle changes. One simple question is all it needs: are you a terrorist?

Then we'd be able to ask the police to nip round and arrest them before they committed any senseless violence on the public at large, AND we wouldn't need to spend a fortune of taxpeyers' money on ANPR cameras.

Honestly, I do wonder about our politicians and senior civil servants sometimes.

:rolleyes:
 
A406 between A1 roads

Came down the A1 this morning and the new grey gantry now has 5 small forward face cameras.
Does anyone now if they are average speed or just speed cameras?
New grey gantry gone up down the Holloway road :(

Mick
 
If they are about 6in square, and there is not another set less than 2 miles down the road then they are same as above, ANPR.
They are popping up all over london on the main roads into.
 
Taken from the Inpependent Internet site

Britain is to become the first country in the world where the movements of all vehicles on the roads are recorded. A new national surveillance system will hold the records for at least two years.

Using a network of cameras that can automatically read every passing number plate, the plan is to build a huge database of vehicle movements so that the police and security services can analyse any journey a driver has made over several years.

The network will incorporate thousands of existing CCTV cameras which are being converted to read number plates automatically night and day to provide 24/7 coverage of all motorways and main roads, as well as towns, cities, ports and petrol-station forecourts.

By next March a central database installed alongside the Police National Computer in Hendon, north London, will store the details of 35 million number-plate "reads" per day. These will include time, date and precise location, with camera sites monitored by global positioning satellites.

Already there are plans to extend the database by increasing the storage period to five years and by linking thousands of additional cameras so that details of up to 100 million number plates can be fed each day into the central databank.

Senior police officers have described the surveillance network as possibly the biggest advance in the technology of crime detection and prevention since the introduction of DNA fingerprinting.

But others concerned about civil liberties will be worried that the movements of millions of law-abiding people will soon be routinely recorded and kept on a central computer database for years.

The new national data centre of vehicle movements will form the basis of a sophisticated surveillance tool that lies at the heart of an operation designed to drive criminals off the road.

In the process, the data centre will provide unrivalled opportunities to gather intelligence data on the movements and associations of organised gangs and terrorist suspects whenever they use cars, vans or motorcycles.

The scheme is being orchestrated by the Association of Chief Police Officers (Acpo) and has the full backing of ministers who have sanctioned the spending of £24m this year on equipment.

More than 50 local authorities have signed agreements to allow the police to convert thousands of existing traffic cameras so they can read number plates automatically. The data will then be transmitted to Hendon via a secure police communications network.

Chief constables are also on the verge of brokering agreements with the Highways Agency, supermarkets and petrol station owners to incorporate their own CCTV cameras into the network. In addition to cross-checking each number plate against stolen and suspect vehicles held on the Police National Computer, the national data centre will also check whether each vehicle is lawfully licensed, insured and has a valid MoT test certificate.

"Every time you make a car journey already, you'll be on CCTV somewhere. The difference is that, in future, the car's index plates will be read as well," said Frank Whiteley, Chief Constable of Hertfordshire and chairman of the Acpo steering committee on automatic number plate recognition (ANPR).

"What the data centre should be able to tell you is where a vehicle was in the past and where it is now, whether it was or wasn't at a particular location, and the routes taken to and from those crime scenes. Particularly important are associated vehicles," Mr Whiteley said.

The term "associated vehicles" means analysing convoys of cars, vans or trucks to see who is driving alongside a vehicle that is already known to be of interest to the police. Criminals, for instance, will drive somewhere in a lawful vehicle, steal a car and then drive back in convoy to commit further crimes "You're not necessarily interested in the stolen vehicle. You're interested in what's moving with the stolen vehicle," Mr Whiteley explained.

According to a strategy document drawn up by Acpo, the national data centre in Hendon will be at the heart of a surveillance operation that should deny criminals the use of the roads.

"The intention is to create a comprehensive ANPR camera and reader infrastructure across the country to stop displacement of crime from area to area and to allow a comprehensive picture of vehicle movements to be captured," the Acpo strategy says.

"This development forms the basis of a 24/7 vehicle movement database that will revolutionise arrest, intelligence and crime investigation opportunities on a national basis," it says.

Mr Whiteley said MI5 will also use the database. "Clearly there are values for this in counter-terrorism," he said.

"The security services will use it for purposes that I frankly don't have access to. It's part of public protection. If the security services did not have access to this, we'd be negligent."
 
The one's on the A406 are grey and round about 4" in diameter only join the A406 for a short while so don't now if there are any more up the road.

Mick
 
They're definitely all ANPRs. Quite apart from the phenomenal waste of money, it's all a bit sinister. I'm not normally bothered by this sort of thing, but trying to tell us it's to combat crime and terrorism is a little far fetched.
 
They're definitely all ANPRs. Quite apart from the phenomenal waste of money, it's all a bit sinister. I'm not normally bothered by this sort of thing, but trying to tell us it's to combat crime and terrorism is a little far fetched.
My thoughts exactly, more official surveillance masquerading as 'security' :mad:

The only positive about them is that they seem to all be pointed at oncoming traffic so bikes don't get their number plates recorded..?
All of the new camera gantries I have seen on the A40, are set up this way.

Odd really because most of the Congestion Zone gantries have placed cameras to cover traffic looking both ways... so traffic gets snapped front and back. :rolleyes:
 


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