New "Garmin Web Updater' Service

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Garmin has introduced a new service for updating the operating software that makes our GPSRs function. The link to the new service is here: Garmin Software Updates.

The first time you use this service, it will prompt you to download and install a program that is subsequently used to check your GPSR to see if it has the most recent operating software, and to then download and automatically install the latest software if an update is available.

All you need to do is connect your GPSR to your computer using whatever cable is used for that purpose (serial for the older units, USB for the newer ones), then run the program. You will be prompted through the process, which is entirely automatic from that point on.

This site is well worth a visit. This new service should make the software update process much, much easier for forum members who are not 'technical wizards' with respect to updating their GPSRs.

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
Garmin has introduced a new service for updating the operating software that makes our GPSRs function. The link to the new service is here: Garmin Software Updates.

The first time you use this service, it will prompt you to download and install a program that is subsequently used to check your GPSR to see if it has the most recent operating software, and to then download and automatically install the latest software if an update is available.

Worth a visit. This new service should make the software update process easier for forum members who are not 'technical wizards' with respect to updating their GPSRs.

Michael

:bow :bow :bow :bow

BTBR
 
I would not use this unless you have registered with Garmin and got your free City Select upgrade.
 
Richard J said:
I would not use this unless you have registered with Garmin and got your free City Select upgrade.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Worked very nicely on my 2610 which has never been tainted with City Select.

Now the next thing for Garmin to do do, is put the EU CN data onto one DVD instead of three CD's to make updating it as easy. :thumb
 
John Armstrong said:
Now the next thing for Garmin to do do, is put the EU CN data onto one DVD instead of three CD's to make updating it as easy. :thumb


and downloadable too.

i can burn to dvd myself, even though garmin apparantly assume i only have a 486 :rolleyes: :D

more seriously, thanks for the info PE :thumb

edit: just tried it. neat.
 
New to the 2610 but it has been around for at least 3 years on the aviation units such as my GPSMAP 295 which need regular updates to the built in airspace database. Nice technology. It works.

Mike
 
Ok, I've down loaded it but whats the difference?

Can't see any difference!

Am I missing something? :eek
 
Thanks Pan, but does this automatically update the Drivers as well, or is that a separate job ? :nenau

I've noticed the "Update Drivers" section on the Garmin site previously, but I don't think I've ever used it, since I bought the SPIII just over a year ago. The brutal truth is that I don't know what they do, and wouldn't recognise a "Driver" if it hit me. :D
 
All,

I tried using this web update service for my 2610.

However it started the update to the 2610 & then it just hung!

After turning off the 2610 and back on again all I had on the screen was "no system".

I managed to download the manual update exe file and after running this it successfully updated the 2610.

I wont be using the web updater again.

Ian
 
Cheesy Mike said:
New to the 2610 but it has been around for at least 3 years on the aviation units such as my GPSMAP 295 which need regular updates to the built in airspace database.

Mike:

No, this is not the same concept as the downloadable Jeppesen updates for the aviation unit. This service updates the operating software inside the GPSR, not the cartography.

It's like 'Windows Update' for your GPSR - that simple.
 
Taff said:
Thanks Pan, but does this automatically update the Drivers as well, or is that a separate job ? :nenau

I've noticed the "Update Drivers" section on the Garmin site previously, but I don't think I've ever used it, since I bought the SPIII just over a year ago. The brutal truth is that I don't know what they do, and wouldn't recognise a "Driver" if it hit me. :D

Just to avoid total confusion on this thread, I think we need to consider what you mean by 'Drivers'. So, please bear with me for a moment while I try to explain this.

Any Garmin GPSR uses numerous different software components to function. For example, we need to have electronic maps to load into the GPSR. Maps are generally referred to as cartography and are distributed on CDs. Map updates are not free, and never will be.

The GPSRs also have their own little operating system inside them, this is what makes them show the maps, calculate the routes, and do all the other trick we are used to, such as avoiding toll roads and so forth. The service we are talking about here updates this operating system within the GPSR. These updates are free, and always will be. In the past, users had to locate the appropriate update on the Garmin website, download it, hook up their GPSR to their computer, then run the update as an executable. Not difficult if you are familiar with computers (and GPSRs), but not exactly intuitive either. The benefit of staying up to date with the newest operating software for your GPSR is that you benefit from additional features that Garmin builds into the GPSRs (free) after they have been released, and you also benefit by getting more reliable, faster operating software for the life of your GPSR.

If we want to be able to suck information out of the GPSR (for example, track logs) or send information to the GPSR from our computer (for example, a route that we have created on our computer), we need a program for our computer (not the GPSR) called MapSource. This program enables you to transfer cartography to your GPSR, and transfer routes, waypoints, and track logs back and forth between your GPSR and the computer. This program is free, and updates are also free. It is automatically installed (and also automatically updated) whenever you load map CD's into your computer - either when you first get the GPSR, or when you buy a map update. You can download incremental updates to MapSource from the Garmin website, but to tell you the truth, you really don't need to bother keeping up with the latest version unless you are doing something very exotic and cutting-edge.

Lastly, in order for your personal computer to be able to communicate with the GPSR over the USB cable, you need to install a driver in your computer (not the GPSR) that enables the computer to recognize the GPSR for what it is, and communicate with it. Normally these drivers have been installed automatically when people first purchase their GPSR and load the maps and MapSource program onto their computer, or load the 'Trip and Waypoint Manager' program onto their computer in the case of GPSRs that are already preloaded with maps.

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OK: Having said all that, my guess is that this new updating service will probably notify you if the USB drivers that you are using need to be updated. But, the USB drivers are the simplest and least complicated of all the components described above. I think Garmin has only updated the drivers twice since USB came into use for connecting the GPSR to the computer, and in each case, the update was required because of changes to the Windows software that Microsoft puts out.

Hope that answers the question.

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Lastly: If you have NEVER connected your GPSR to your computer, using the USB cable, you won't be able to use this new automatic update service until you download and install the USB drivers. You can find the USB drivers at this link: Garmin USB Driver Download. DO NOT have the GPSR connected to the computer when you download and install the USB drivers!

On the other hand, if you have connected your GPSR to your computer successfully at any time in the past - even if it was only once - to load maps, or upload waypoints, or even just to update the software in your GPSR - then you already have the USB drivers present on your computer, which means you don't have to worry about them. They either work or they don't, there is no such thing as 'newer or better'. If you can plug your GPSR into your computer - and the computer recognizes the GPSR, by making the little 'bing-bong' sound, and not throwing up a whole bunch of error messages - then the drivers are installed OK.

Michael
 
ianm00 said:
I tried using this web update service for my 2610. However it started the update to the 2610 & then it just hung! ...I wont be using the web updater again.

Ian:

It took the Lord 6 days to create the world. This new Garmin service has only been running for 4 days now. Cut them a little slack, OK? :rolleyes:

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
.... if you have connected your GPSR to your computer successfully at any time in the past ..... then you already have the USB drivers ...... They either work or they don't, there is no such thing as 'newer or better'.
Thank you Michael - you have a way of making things sound so simple. My Drivers are obviously working fine then, as I've been dowloading & uploading routes, tracks, waypoints etc with no problems.

That was the bit that was confusing me. :thumb
 
Michael,

This is a bit of a digression but as you seem to know quite a bit about GPS I thought I'd ask . . .

Have you had any experience writing applications with the Garmin SDK? I've been trying to use it recently to write some applications to turn ordinate points into roadbooks but it seems to be very badly documented and not supported for technical questions to Garmin.

Or maybe you know some useful resources?

David
 
Hi David:

I regret I have no knowledge in that area at all. I'm a volunteer beta-tester who specializes in testing the automotive GPSRs on motorcycles in Europe. That's pretty well the limit of my involvement with Garmin. I'm also familiar with the aviation GPSRs as a result of my day job (aircraft pilot), but I don't have any particular interest in the aviation units.

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
Ian:

It took the Lord 6 days to create the world. This new Garmin service has only been running for 4 days now. Cut them a little slack, OK? :rolleyes:

Michael

Michael,

Thats all very fine but I thought the idea of the web updater is to make it easier but people not familiar with computers. For people who are not used to to using computers running this update service may make their 2610 unusable as mine was until I did the manual exe download and then the update.

I was just trying to warn people that the web updater in my first use is not reliable!

Ian
 
Updating the operating system in the GPS means killing all your personal settings. I have plenty of them. Autozoom=off, Recalculation=off, Map Detail=most, etc, etc.

Having this automatic feature resetting my device without my control doesn't sound as a great idea to me. :(
 
HMR said:
...Updating the operating system in the GPS means killing all your personal settings...

Uh, no, not normally. In fact, that is something that Garmin tries very, very hard to avoid doing. They are well aware that users don't like to have to reconfigure their GPSR.

Occasionally - a better word would be "very rarely" - it is necessary, for technical reasons, to clear the non-volatile memory in the GPSR (in other words, blow out all your personal settings) when an update is made. I can only recall this ever happening once in the history of the 26xx series of GPSRs. When it is necessary to do this, the user really can't be given a choice - the choice is either you update, and blow out non-vol, or you don't update.

I think I have mentioned in other threads that it actually makes a great deal of sense to do a factory reset (blow out non-vol) prior to making a software upgrade that has an increment in the first decimal place. This resets your GPSR to OEM condition, and makes it a lot easier for you to see the changes that have been made in the software. When I am beta-testing software, I always, without fail, blow out the non-vol before loading new software.

Michael
 
PanEuropean said:
Occasionally - a better word would be "very rarely" - it is necessary, for technical reasons, to clear the non-volatile memory in the GPSR (in other words, blow out all your personal settings) when an update is made. I can only recall this ever happening once in the history of the 26xx series of GPSRs.

Good to hear. I've only upgraded my 276 once and it was reset at that time. Just bad luck then. :)
 
HMR said:
Good to hear. I've only upgraded my 276 once and it was reset at that time. Just bad luck then. :)
The more complex and young a unit is, the more likely a reset on update is to happen. The 276C is very rich on features and have introduced a lot of functionality, or at least combined it in ways not seen in other units before.

As I recall it every update (about ten including betas) except the last one or two have caused resets on 276C. The firmware is probably now starting to mature enough to not needing such major changes that is causing the reset on updates. On previous units (eTrex Vista and GPS V) I'd say that it happened in about every fifth or sixth update.

My reason for not using the web updater is simply that I don't want yet another software (with bugs and potential security problems) installed on my computer unless it is really useful. Since I have never found it a problem to check the web site and if necessary upgrade manually I don't have any need for this service.
 


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