new laws??

[Gizmo]

If it isn't already done, may I humbly suggest that someone produces a proforma e-mail to avoid people possibly alienating those being lobbied?

Already suggested ..over to MAG
Ideally it should set-out the practical reasons why mandatory Hi-Viz is a non-starter: The difficulty of policing such a requirement ie who is going to be qualified to measure the conspicuity of the garment at the roadside? What allowances will have to be made for wear, tear and the inevitable loss of conspicuity caused by road grime and weather in normal use? Then there is the question whether there exists any quantifiable evidence that Hi-Viz clothing for PTW-users reduces injury and deaths caused by other road users (and the fact that Hi-Viz doesn't impact upon the behaviour of the rider, which is a key factor in PTW collisions)? Clearly (no pun intended), it would be self-defeating to argue that not wanting to be seen is the point but it needs to be stressed time and time again that the onus is as much upon other road users to be aware as it is upon the motorcyclist to increase awareness.All sound arguments



No it isn't. It's about trying to prevent those bikes that have restricted power (to match licence entitlements) from being modified into ones that mean the rider isn't licensed (or possibly insured).
That is the reasonable interpretation of the intent of the regulation and the current situation in respect of restricted power output.However problems can arise with the transposition of intent into national law to give effect to the regulation. There have been discussions about not accepting any changes to the vehicle when presented for Periodic Technical Inspection ( MOT in UK) that result in the vehicle being sustantively altered from the model submitted by the manufacturer during the type approval process. There is no reference to "learner legal" in any of the documents, rather the generic term "Powered Two Wheelers ", in effect including everything from Mopeds to Superbikes.It is up to us to ensure that when intent becomes fact it has not morphed into something else at national level.

There is no reasonable argument against the proposals except that it is already an offence to alter the power-output of licence category restricted machines, that it occurs despite the current laws and that it rarely comes to notice until after an incident involving serious injury or death is the only logical argument and should be stressed.]I would agree with this logic if there is absolute clarity around the PTI and anti tampering proposals.[/QUOTE

 

[Firefox]

Corrected

Unfortunately for us HI Viz is an RSA Irish Proposal and not contained in the EU proposals. Our local muppets are behind this particular saga.

I stand corrected. And reading some of the reports and the motorcycle road safety strategy of the RSA has me losing interest in oxygen.

 

[Ogmios]

... reading some of the reports and the motorcycle road safety strategy of the RSA has me losing interest in oxygen.

imagine having to wade through the paperwork in full.

it has us in the MAG office losing the will to live.

 

[Uncle T]

imagine having to wade through the paperwork in full.

it has us in the MAG office losing the will to live.

Hi All

I am a bit of a returning lost soul on here but picked up the chat on the issue via the web hit counter on www.righttoride.eu

It was mrsroynies post that popped up.

Still got the 1200ADV and returning to NI and this thread http://www.ukgser.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180436 that I lost interest.

I can understand Ogmios losing the will to live on the proposed EU Legislation.

And don't know what to expect in response to this returning post

Meanwhile on Hi Viz:

The UK Government have said, “The (UK) Government has no plans to make Hi Viz/Day Glo jackets/vests and protective clothing for motorcyclists compulsory but encourages their use through publications such as The Highway Code.”

Our own Department of the Environment (DOE), Road Safety Branch have said: “There are no plans (or inklings of plans) to introduce a mandatory hi-viz requirement for motorcyclists in Northern Ireland”.

Right To Ride asked the RSA, “Our concerns are that if hi-viz are made compulsory in the ROI, then motorcyclists from Northern Ireland or from any other country for that matter, would then have to comply with the regulations in the ROI, which may not be a legal requirement in UK or in other countries for riding on the road and would thus suggest that these motorcyclists would be open to prosecution for non compliance.”

We have chased the RSA up for a response.

 

[Ogmios]

BUMP!

petition;

http://www.magireland.org/forms/Demo-Petition.pdf

general info on the front page ( www.magireland.org) - navigate from there.

it's simple and blunt. Linda will be going to meetings in Brussels in about 3 weeks and sticking them... i mean handing them over in person.
She will be meeting face to face with the Irish Govt. rep. and explaining why our feelings run so deep on these matters.
polite aint i?

Thank you for the kind words - it is at times exhausting and hard to keep up the work when many only see what we haven't done and not what we have done.