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So myself and my son have gone clay pigeon shooting a few times. We would now like to progress to joining a gun club. I have a gun I inherited from my father it is a 1927 Sarasqueta side by side in perfect working order .

First question is it suitable for hunting with or would I be better buying a more modern under and over starter gun.

Next question can you more experienced users recommend a reasonably priced starter gun for my son and possibly me please

Thanks as always chaps
 
You don't need to be a member of a gun club to shoot clays generally, just turn up , pay the fees and shoot

For you son, assuming he can hold/ handle a 12 bore , then the venerable Beretta silver pigeon O/U would be ideal
This; the Silver Pigeon was my first shotgun. Great quality for the price.
 
Beretta 686 - not necessarily a silver pigoen.
the earlier 686 onyx are superb field guns and good enough for recreational clays days as they are quite light.
You might even find a 687.
All great, reliable guns.

And better still - you will always be able to move them on in the future.
 
There’s no such thing as a “starter gun” (other than in the athletic context). The only difference is cost which largely down to quality of materials and detailing/workmanship All shotguns are as lethal as each other, no matter how much or how little they cost. Remember that and think about it every time you pick your gun up. Drill it into your son too.

A bit like every bike is an adventure bike, if it fits you, your old side by side is fine for clays or live bird shooting. Even if it doesn’t fit you’ll probably adapt your style so it works for you. But be warned if you do change to an over/under or an SBS that fits properly you’ll need to relearn your technique.

Clays are good practice but only get you so far. The variety in speed, direction, height, size, wind, and unpredictability of live birds is their real challenge. A god clay shot hits 80% or better, a very good game shooter can be 30% (hits 1 in 3) or much much lower - 1 in 10 common on one of our drives - exceptionally high and fast.

Live bird shooting harder to break into than claying. You can buy a day’s shooting through sporting agencies but it’s generally expensive, although a duck or pigeon flight costs waaay less than a days driven shooting. Ask at your gun shop about opportunities for buying odd days or a flight or two locally. The best way is to get involved with a local syndicate. Find the pub they go to post-shoot on a Saturday and be genial. Often local farmers and businessmen pooling resources and land to put together a small shoot. They may employ or a keeper or it may be all diy. I was in these diy shoots for years. It’s great fun and can be great company, new friends etc, plus you will learn loads about all aspects of shooting.

What nearly all pheasant, partridge and some duck shoots need are beaters. Best way to get your feet under the table, get your face known, and get involved. You’ll probably get at least a beaters day out of it (where the beaters shoot instead of the usually shooters), and possibly more. After a year or two ask about joining the syndicate when there’s a vacancy.

Good luck. Shooting has been a significant aspect of my whole life. Thanks Dad!!
 
As above - it all started for my son and I through beating when we moved to the village.
It’s a great father and son day out.
And when you turn up in all weathers, are dependable, always smiling and helpful with the old duffers who have a gun on the shoot - word spreads and invites for a day when someone can’t make it (at a cost) happen.
And beaters days are, I think, one of the best days of the season.

Even better, there is always drink at the end of the day !
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berretta 686 all day... look at the locking eye's on the barrel make sure they aren't too oval...

game guns are sometimes shorter in the stock as you'll be wearing a thicker coat.. that can make difference... but you can learn to shoot with the gun you have, don't change more than one thing at a time buy 1,000 shells of that kind and learn to shoot them... different guns, different barrel lengths/ chokes and ammo can all make a difference... it's a combindation of everything and the shooter having a good day with a hint of luck :)

O/U are generally easier to shoot, modern powders means more pressure so while old guns are fun... you should really think about the explosion that's happening in a controlled manner next to your face.

To best way to learn is pick one of the clay stands and shoot that one till your confident, then move onto the next as each one takes a slightly different amount of lead or position

get lessons if you can, it saves money in the long run...

shooting is a cool skill and best done safely

if you shoot game, it's also a good day out but the safety rules are abit different to clay shoots, there's risk to the beaters so keep your wits about you.

if after a while you own multiple guns for example a 12G and a 20G make sure you never mix up bags (two different coloured shell holders) and always buy different coloured shells... cos you really don't want a 20G dropped by accident into a 12G gun.... ask the old boys about what that does... !

and best to have insurance
 
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Lads as always a wealth of knowledge has been shared and for that I'm extremely grateful. We are going to start in the new

I'll keep ye posted
 
I’m old school and generally consider a side by side is for game shooting (a Gentleman’s gun) and an over and under is for clays. But when you see a decent shot powdering clays with a side by side you realise it’s less about the gun than it is about the shooter.

I no longer shoot game, just clays. Personally I would join a clay pigeon shooting club, and take some instruction from their coaches. It won’t be expensive and will pay you back in spades. Whatever you do, don’t go to a club and just go through the stands, listening to loud mouthed patch wearing ‘experts’…..they have no idea what they’re on about and talk more shit than you could shake a stick at. They will invariably tell you ‘behind it mate’ when you miss, without having a clue where you were on it. Once you’ve had a few weeks at a club, you’ll find the sort of company you’re comfortable with and it becomes a social event and a lot of fun.

Shotguns don’t have to be prohibitively expensive, Silma for example are very good quality at reasonable money.
 
I have reached out to the national organisation here. The local county representative will make contact and will recommend local clubs. We will be joining a club with the aim of doing the pre requirement course to obtain a gun licence. I've done it already but will do it again as I feel I could do with a refresher

For now as recommended we will stick to clay shooting and also get some lessons.
I appreciate the suggestions of guns like the Beretta but to be honest are too expensive for us to buy. I know the old adage by cheap by twice etc.

This is a new hobby for both of us and will start with something cheaper. I am thinking of a budget of around 1500 to 1800 for guns

I've already earmarked a couple of Gun shops to visit this week with my son to see what's available and prices etc.

Thanks again folks
 
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I have reached out to the national organisation here. The local county representative will make contact and will recommend local clubs. We will be joining a club with the aim of doing the pre requirement course to obtain a gun licence. I've done it already but will do it again as I feel I could do with a refresher

For now as recommended we will stick to clay shooting and also get some lessons.
I appreciate the suggestions of guns like the Beretta but to be honest are too expensive for us to buy. I know the old adage by cheap by twice etc.

This is a new hobby for both of us and will start with something cheaper. I am thinking of a budget of around 1500 to 1800 for guns

I've already earmarked a couple of Gun shops to visit this week with my son to see what's available and prices etc.

Thanks again folks
Good luck and best wishes dub, I think you’re approaching it the right way. Check out Silma, I have a Spanish O/U, a nice Berretta, and a Silma, and I’m no better a shot with the Berretta than I am with the Silma.
 
Look at second hand, the 686 family is well proven and in my opinion exceptionally well finished for the money

Side by sides are more traditionally used as field guns as they are lighter to carry about all day

O/U are heavier, they are more comfortable if you are shooting a lot of shells as you do when shooting clays

At the end of the day, it’s the shooter that makes 99% of the difference, not the gun or how much it cost
 
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Do not hesitate to buy a ‘cheap’ Turkish gun
For £350 a good used Kofs or a ATA etc will do exactly what you need to get you going and having fun.
12 gauge the norm.
Nothing wrong with a twenty if it’s a bargain.
Better if you both have the same though for buying cartridges.
More costs less !

Shooting, Just like golf, most other sports and especially like riding motorcycles fast - it’s about the person, not the equipment.
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In my opinion,
Go get some lessons, this will teach you basics about lead etc and safety.
Once you have the basics and you go clay shooting you will get an idea what your average is. you can then move on to fit.
Fit with a shotgun is critical. But there is no point in spending money on getting fitted until you decide, you want to get serious about it.
You are shooting instinctively, see clay, raise shotgun, follow, get ahead and squeeze trigger. Completely different from rifle shooting. Once you are getting better, then get fitted. Fit is all about the shotgun “fitting”, so that when you lift the shotgun to your shoulder and put your head on the stock, you eye is lined up correctly with the rib, so you are not shooting above or below.
Historically, o/u are instinctively easier and more accurate for many people than a sbys. No idea why. It may be that many sbs rend to have a short stock, hence a shorter lop.
Right, lessons and getting fitted. Plenty of people advertise to do both, many of them are shit. I mean it. I went to someone and explained about, my ear defenders hitting the stock, he said, yeah, I had the same problem and moved to ear plugs. The problem was stock length. Found out, when I went to someone who was good at it.
A good person who is teaching you will be able to tell you where you are, behind, above etc.

Ok, let’s say you have gone out, got some lessons, you don’t do too bad and you want to go out hunting with it.

This is my opinion, and only mine. When you go out, you need to respect your quarry, your intention, no matter what species, is to take the life of an animal. Don’t just go out there, blasting and hoping to hit something. Learn your limit and distances. Shoot within your limits, this is where the clay shooting does help, as much as it can.
Respect your quarry.

Good luck, and enjoy it. It is a great sport.
 
I am thinking of a budget of around 1500 to 1800 for guns
a 1980's 686's shouldn't be more than £700 the onyx same gun but all black slab sided action may even be less. there's a 686 on here for 750 from pauli'S I think

I've got several instock
 
got something like that... section 1 24 inch barrel... it's pretty shit... kinda funny but shit...!
 
a 1980's 686's shouldn't be more than £700 the onyx same gun but all black slab sided action may even be less. there's a 686 on here for 750 from pauli'S I think

I've got several instock
I saw Paul's alright and I'd be very interested in that. I would have to look into how I import it to here. I'd imagine bringing on a plane would be an issue but then again I don't know haven't never done anything like this.
You say you have several in stock are you a dealer ?
Can I also ask what the different barrel lengths mean to an uneducated fool like me please
Cheers
 


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