Not Such a nice guy !

[frank1200]

The problem with the bolt as with most of these things is the human element
Does the bike belong to a customer who has got work done before and will again in that case if it meant an extra half hours labour and a 2 euro bolt I would cover that but if it meant a few hours work or an expensive replacement part I would ask the customer to contribute towards it

If the bolt broke because the last guy at it did something wrong or it the vehicle belonged to a awkward customer who never had dealings with before then they would have to pay the full price

There is no set rule it depends on the human element
Some one is fair with you the you are fair with them but is someone is awkward contrary or u just cannot click with them u will treat them accordingly

 

[frank1200]

A: Totally ignoring the fact Jay stated in the other thread (BEFORE THIS ONE WAS STARTED) that he had no more comment to make
B: Totally ignoring the fact that Civil has likewise failed to answer ANY of the various questions in the last 2 1/2-odd pages

Maybe the boys realise that this tread has gone on long enough and to many people get involved and it does no good for those involved

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

Been a right eye opener for me has this thread.

Not commenting beyond what I've already written about this specific thread, but in general terms it strikes me that all of the garages/workshops/mechanics who've commented are happy to take our money but accept no responsibility for fecking things up.

'"We'll take the cash for doing what we're being paid to do, offer no refund when things go better than planned but expect you to foot the bill when things don't go so well".

No wonder the motor trade is saddled with the reputation it has.

 

[Wizard]

Maybe the boys realise that this tread has gone on long enough and to many people get involved and it does no good for those involved

Kinda my point...... but possibly a tad better explained :-D

 

[Fanum]

Been a right eye opener for me has this thread.

Not commenting beyond what I've already written about this specific thread, but in general terms it strikes me that all of the garages/workshops/mechanics who've commented are happy to take our money but accept no responsibility for fecking things up.
No wonder the motor trade is saddled with the reputation it has.

Not true.

If we fuck something up, it's OUR fault and WE pay for it.

On the other hand.......If a badly corroded stud shears on an old bike or car, that's NOT us fucking it up



One genuine example.....a 90 defender in for an MOT last November.....we check them over, change bulbs and do anything minor to make sure they'll pass before taking them for MOT

Up on the ramps, we tap along the chassis rails with a small hammer to make sure there's not enough of the classic rot that Defenders suffer from, and *crunch* the hammer found a large patch of bodge filler that a certain well known other garage had evidently put in.......so we now have a car with a 4 inch hole in the chassis, a definite MOT failure (near a structural area) and a pissed off customer (not, I add, with us, but the previous garage who had been the only ones to handle this car in the previous 7 years.)

Would you hold us responsible for that?

I haven't seen anyone in this thread say anything along the lines of they wouldn't take responsibility for them fucking up, but old things break...fact, particularly when being undone for the first time after years of rust or bodgery even.

Yes, I guess we could have insurance to cover that, but guess who would pay it?

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

And you'd come clean when you'd fecked something up costing time and parts?
Forgive me if I don't believe a word of it when you say you would.

 

[Deleted account 211025001]

And you'd come clean when you'd fecked something up costing time and parts?
Forgive me if I don't believe a word of it when you say you would.

What a paranoid world you live in, how do you know who to trust and who not to trust (apart from hippies of course, never trust a hippy!).

Andres

 

[Ogmios]

First off, i should state that Dr. Farkoff is (now) a close friend.

... in general terms it strikes me that all of the garages/workshops/mechanics who've commented are happy to take our money but accept no responsibility for fecking things up. ...

I cant let the above go without comment.
When i first met him, he did some work on my Bike. A good job and very reasonable price and little 'extras' noted, sorted and not charged for. It's just the way he is - he'll never be rich / he's too honest and too nice!
So, not all who lift a spanner are 'gougers' - that's all.
I'll not post any more on this thread - it's got to the ridiculous stage as it is.

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

Fair point.

I'll let you know just as soon as anyone in the motor trade admits that the problem that wasn't there when I took the bike/car in but suddenly appeared afterwards is down to them.

After 34 years of experience to the contrary I'm not over optimistic though.

 

[Fanum]

Fair point.

I'll let you know just as soon as anyone in the motor trade admits that the problem that wasn't there when I took the bike/car in but suddenly appeared afterwards is down to them.

After 34 years of experience to the contrary I'm not over optimistic though.

You're not picking your garages very well then

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

Lol.
Or maybe I am just paranoid.

 

[(RIP) Tunneruk]

And you'd come clean when you'd fecked something up costing time and parts?
Forgive me if I don't believe a word of it when you say you would.

This is my first dip into this thread, in all honesty I have no interest in name calling and I feel that the thread has kind of played itself out.

I do however feel compelled to tell you to fuck off with your attitude.

Do you realise how hard it is to gain a good reputation and how easily trashed it is.

I am in the same camp as Fanum (Not literally of course , he's into all kinds of funky shit) in that if I work on a bike and a part that's at the end of it's serviceable life breaks while I'm working then I'm happy to fit a replacement on the basis that it's supplied by the customer. I won't have been the person to have used up the life of said part, it's broken because it 'needs' replacing, not because I broke it. However if "I" break something through my actions I damn well fix it on my own time and cost.
We're not talking about large dealer groups here. We're talking about individual small businessmen/women who's livelihood depend entirely on a good reputation and providing a good service.

Are you going to call me a liar now?

 

[Norfolk Tiger]

Not true.

If we fuck something up, it's OUR fault and WE pay for it.

On the other hand.......If a badly corroded stud shears on an old bike or car, that's NOT us fucking it up



One genuine example.....a 90 defender in for an MOT last November.....we check them over, change bulbs and do anything minor to make sure they'll pass before taking them for MOT

Up on the ramps, we tap along the chassis rails with a small hammer to make sure there's not enough of the classic rot that Defenders suffer from, and *crunch* the hammer found a large patch of bodge filler that a certain well known other garage had evidently put in.......so we now have a car with a 4 inch hole in the chassis, a definite MOT failure (near a structural area) and a pissed off customer (not, I add, with us, but the previous garage who had been the only ones to handle this car in the previous 7 years.)

Would you hold us responsible for that?

I haven't seen anyone in this thread say anything along the lines of they wouldn't take responsibility for them fucking up, but old things break...fact, particularly when being undone for the first time after years of rust or bodgery even.

Yes, I guess we could have insurance to cover that, but guess who would pay it?

Spot on if you are to blame through carelessness man up and take it on the chin. As in the case I had today I replaced the alternator on a 4x4 Isuzu as I was reversing it out of the workshop I lowered the drivers window which then failed to come up (control unit fecked) as the 2 things have nothing in common am I supposed to put it right?
Did it fail whilst in my possession? Yes , was I the one who lowered the window? Yes, am I to blame for the control unit failing? No

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Been a right eye opener for me has this thread.

Not commenting beyond what I've already written about this specific thread, but in general terms it strikes me that all of the garages/workshops/mechanics who've commented are happy to take our money but accept no responsibility for fecking things up.

'"We'll take the cash for doing what we're being paid to do, offer no refund when things go better than planned but expect you to foot the bill when things don't go so well".

No wonder the motor trade is saddled with the reputation it has.

You're a fecking muppet

Not all the mechanics/trade are like that at all

There's some superb fella's out there

I have an old XR250, 15 years old and I wanted a couple of things doing - namely the rear brake was inoperable, on checking the pads they were bent by a previous owner and the caliper now needed an overhaul

So I took it to a chap I've known for years (probably a bit like Jay, someone who repairs and rides bikes) and asked him to MOT the bike (bought without MOT) and sort the rear brake, as I'd done everything else

He completely rebuilt the caliper- new pistons, seals,master cylinder repair kit and pins etc and fitted the new pads, I'd supplied

Went to pick up the bike and all sorted, he said the caliper overhaul went ok, but the bolt holding a guard onto it has sheared in the caliper, but no worries, he'd drilled and tapped it out and replaced with the proper Honda 8mm flanged bolt (not just any old allen bolt) - attention to detail superb and no charge for that repair, these things happen he said

A very good mechanic, one of the best who used to spanner for the factory teams at World Trials events, loves bikes and knows how to do a proper fecking job, not a bodge job as you infer

He's worth the 60 mile round trip, for a proper job from someone who can build engines/lace wheels/build frames and correct others bodge ups

I believe Jay is perhaps one of these kinda guys, a good mechanic and not a bodger

 

[nud1e]

Thats why I posted the question "did you break the switch or not". To which as yet there has been no answer. This would only lead one to think that indeed he did break the switch.

Come clean Jay !!!! Tell the truth now.

About 60 years ago, my younger sister was annoying me, She had a doll with a china head which I tossed down the stairs. The doll's head broke. To this day, she still reminds me that I broke her doll. 60 years of guilt is a terrible thing, but being upset about a doll for that lenght of time is ridiculous.

Breaking the doll or breaking someone's headlight with a hammer is a deliberate act, something done with intent.

Some 7 years ago, my '93 R80GS ran out of electrics on a run. A check found that the rotor was cooked and needed to be replaced. I used the one from my R75/6 until I got a replacement - still have a spare, but not the R80GS.
On the R1150GS, indicator micro switches fail and need to be replaced. I have spares. The large bearing in the final drive fails, the pinions and bushes in swinging arm wear and need to be replaced.
All these things are or will be broke. They could break when I was riding the bike or when someone else is riding the bike. THey could fail before, during or after a service.

All things have a finite life, mountains will turn into grains of sand, eventually.

The more something is abused, misused or neglected, the more likely it is to break.

Shite happens.
The indicator switch broke, as did the one on my R75/6 many years ago.
Replace the switch with a new one and you may get another 24 years use out of it.


It was once said on a senior colleague "He's so far up X's ass that he can see the soles of Y's shoes."
What can you see?

 

[Norfolk Tiger]

And you'd come clean when you'd fecked something up costing time and parts?
Forgive me if I don't believe a word of it when you say you would.

You can choose to believe me or not the choice is yours, I have just stood the expense to replace a radiator on a car damaged by us in the process of another job on the vehicle, it could have been left as it was one of the 4 mounts and the other 3 would have held it for a while longer,but that is not how we operate. This probably explains why I rarely have to look for work and I would guess 90% of business is repeat customers.
It's a lot easier to get a bad name than it is to maintain a good name.
Just my humble opinion which counts for feck all

 

[BOIRCHE]

First off, i should state that Dr. Farkoff is (now) a close friend.

I cant let the above go without comment.
When i first met him, he did some work on my Bike. A good job and very reasonable price and little 'extras' noted, sorted and not charged for. It's just the way he is - he'll never be rich / he's too honest and too nice!
So, not all who lift a spanner are 'gougers' - that's all.
I'll not post any more on this thread - it's got to the ridiculous stage as it is.

+1 I can only say it as it is...last year i took my bike to Jay (*recommended) to get a service/valve clearances etc... in the process a few other things turned up which i had'nt forseen, i was informed of these underlying faults (that could have led to something more expensive )i was sent pics by e-mail etc explaining in detail the said parts, instead of buying new parts as i already explained to him before the initial work commenced money was at a premium as i just recently had separated he sourced good quality second hand parts (more e-mails /pics) kept me informed of the bill as it turned from a simple few hrs work into something i had'nt accounted for, i know from the things that were replaced/the amount of labour it took to put these things right the bill i was presented with did not reflect the amount of work that was done,(and lots of free advice where others would have gladly relieved you of more money. I now have a bike that is running well & i am happy in the knowledge it will run trouble free for some time to come. If this work had been done by a main dealer i would dread to think what it would have cost...I for one will be availing of his services in the future...

 

[Daisy Duke]

Been a right eye opener for me has this thread.

Not commenting beyond what I've already written about this specific thread, but in general terms it strikes me that all of the garages/workshops/mechanics who've commented are happy to take our money but accept no responsibility for fecking things up.

'"We'll take the cash for doing what we're being paid to do, offer no refund when things go better than planned but expect you to foot the bill when things don't go so well".

No wonder the motor trade is saddled with the reputation it has.

Now while I admit that Ireland is like the worlds biggest village and most of us obviously know each other, have you not noticed a pattern in the comments? People have defended Jay's reputation not just as a person but also as a mechanic they have used personally and will use again... happily.

The OP has been the only one who has actually had something bad to say about Jay, apart from Foolish, but I think we've already established which orifice he resides in.

Maybe this should tell you something

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

This is my first dip into this thread, in all honesty I have no interest in name calling and I feel that the thread has kind of played itself out.

I do however feel compelled to tell you to fuck off with your attitude.

Do you realise how hard it is to gain a good reputation and how easily trashed it is.

I am in the same camp as Fanum (Not literally of course , he's into all kinds of funky shit) in that if I work on a bike and a part that's at the end of it's serviceable life breaks while I'm working then I'm happy to fit a replacement on the basis that it's supplied by the customer. I won't have been the person to have used up the life of said part, it's broken because it 'needs' replacing, not because I broke it. However if "I" break something through my actions I damn well fix it on my own time and cost.
We're not talking about large dealer groups here. We're talking about individual small businessmen/women who's livelihood depend entirely on a good reputation and providing a good service.

Are you going to call me a liar now?

It's pretty simple as far as I'm concerned. If it was working when it went into you for other work I would expect it to be working when it comes back, at no cost to me.

If that makes me unreasonable guess what? I can live with it.

Am I going to call you a liar? I don't know you so can't offer an opinion. But my default position would be no different than it would be for anyone else I come across in life these days. Not to trust you until you'd earnt that trust. I used to be the polar opposite and assume that people in general could be trusted, unfortunately I've learnt over the years that my current position leads to fewer disappointments.

 

[Ex-Call Centre Chimp]

Now while I admit that Ireland is like the worlds biggest village and most of us obviously know each other, have you not noticed a pattern in the comments? People have defended Jay's reputation not just as a person but also as a mechanic they have used personally and will use again... happily.

The OP has been the only one who has actually had something bad to say about Jay, apart from Foolish, but I think we've already established which orifice he resides in.

Maybe this should tell you something

I thought I'd made it clear but obviously not.
My comments weren't aimed Jay. I've already had my say on that.