Off road play areas in Bedford area

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An impromptu decision but I took the 1200GSA off road at a quarry that's just off the A603 to Willington. A bit small and just a few dirt tracks and a bit of mud. It is the 2nd time I've taken the GSA off road and it's a heavy beast. I relaxed after a while and it became easier. Use to ride off road bikes on the farm in SA but after more than a decade since I've been on one and it's a challenge with such a heavy beast. Tomorrow I'll return and explore a bit more. There is also a place next to the BP garage on the A45 next to Rushden that used to be a ski slope I believe. I'll see what it's like. I know green lanes are bit scarce in the area but I don't want to take on stuff that's too challenging. The bike is fitted with TR91 so more road biased. Anybody knows of a few more places?

What have I learned so far
1. The GSA is heavy so don't fill tank all the way
2. Use 2nd gear more
3. Remove the foot peg rubbers
4. The handle bars are too low too stand up comfortably
5. Switch off the ASC
6. If I'm going to do this more regularly I need to invest in some proper boots and pants.
 
If you're going to do this more send me an PM and I'll come. I've been to 'Skew bridge' the abandonned dry ski slope loads of times and there's a quite a few green lanes locally - although I am more Dunstable way....

Cheers
 
Anybody knows of a few more places?


Excercise some caution here as it sounds like your heading in to trouble on a couple of counts.
Riding a motorcycle on anything other than a road or byway is now illegal unless you have the landowners permission to do so, carrying 'criminal' status!
Plod will be keen to issue your machine with a Section 59 if he manages to catch you 'off-road', and when the vehicle has a couple of these and it is seized.
Riding alone runs several risks, the injuries due to an accident may not kill you, but them along with being trapped under your bike may do. And you have mentioned both your machine and yourself are half-shod with equipment to ensure your ride/riding is as safe as possible.

I believe the surrounding counties have miles of unsurfaced roads and byways suited for use with a larger machine.
Get yourself some protective gear and a set of trail tyres fitted.
Hook-up with a couple of other riders and get out on a day together, then if one of you does take a tumble, help is at hand in your recovery upright.

Take a look at the Trail Riders Fellowship website, there is info there and you should be able to have a chat with the local group to where you live or want to ride.

www.trf.org

Timpo.
 
By criminal status you mean an ASBO for bikes which 'never' get's taken any further?
I do however agree with not riding alone however I do it a lot and am still alive..
Although many of the surrounding 'byways' suited for the larger machine are way too easy and a waste of time... hence riding all the local quarries and such

;)

I have years ago looked into the TRF and some of the information and 'rules' are good information. BUT a lot of it is 'in my humble opinion' taking the fun out of greenlaning. Near enough anywhere you ride which is totally illegal is one hell of a lot more fun and adventurous. Why have an adventure bike and not venture off the byways?

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I do have the OS maps and had a look at the very few trails around here. All of them churned up by the 4X4s making riding a big bike not a pleasant affair. The soil here is mostly clay so I avoid it when muddy. Looks like I have to look further to the west to find decent hard packed easy to ride trails suitable for a big bike. Problem is one 1 member from my local club is into any off road stuff so I had a go on my own. I'll get some more OS maps and have a look. And maybe if the government at home allows, a decent small bike to go off road which will make it all the more enjoyable.
 
Personally I won't trail ride alone for the reasons Timpo outlined. I was once stuck beneath a 950SE for about 10 minutes with the hot exhaust burning my leg. I was pinned down and unable to get up until help arrived and that's without any injuries. Break your collarbone or scaphoid, both common trailriding injuries, and you stand no chance of getting up if you find yourself in a similar predicament.
 
Near enough anywhere you ride which is totally illegal is one hell of a lot more fun and adventurous. Why have an adventure bike and not venture off the byways?

OK - That is one viewpoint. However, riding illegally off-piste may be fun for you but it is a major problem for trail riding as a whole. A local walker or farmer reports it then this can lead to clamp downs and TROs.

The TRF can be seen as a bit stuffy in some groups - but it is an organisation that is all about maintaining rights of way for us to ride in the future. Off-piste action effectively smacks us right in the face. There are lots of places to go and ride if you want to find out how your bike handles - one simple thing is to ask a local farmer to see if he has a fallow field you can tear about in for a bit.

If you want to stretch the legs of a GS, then Salisbury plain has extensive byways that you can ride with varying levels of difficulty (Come along on the bakery run at Christmas).

You can always go on one of the organised pay & play days - BlueLightOff Road club, EnduroLand etc - There are numerous 4x4 clubs about which have private quarries/parks - You can see if they will let you on their tracks.

The GS / Adventure type bikes are big and heavy machines which mean riding alone can lead to precarious situations. My first off-road forray was when I took my 1150GS off road with road tyres - Trying to be an Ewan wannabe. Luckilly I got to the end of the byway but I dropped it a few times, being quite fit I was able to lift the bike up on the slippy mud but I didn't go out alone again until I had a fair amount of practice. That being said - I do go out alone quite often but have now had 9 years off-road and trail riding.
 
Near enough anywhere you ride which is totally illegal is one hell of a lot more fun and adventurous. Why have an adventure bike and not venture off the byways?

If you bothered to do the research or even just ask, you'd know that there are plenty of legal byways that you'd struggle to ride on a GS unless you're some sort of trailriding God.
 
If you bothered to do the research or even just ask, you'd know that there are plenty of legal byways that you'd struggle to ride on a GS unless you're some sort of trailriding God.

LOL I find it very amusing this comment :blagblah

I have been trail riding locally since before I've had a licence so do know 'most' of the lanes around here.. I have spent a long time looking at O.s. Maps, trawling through trail wise and simply going out and finding byways.

I also have a smaller 650 which can get I'll say anywhere, but in reality just anywhere around here as it's all relatively easy :blagblah

Infact. I am leading a ride out this coming Sunday on all totally LEGAL lanes around the Chilterns. Anyone welcome. Meeting at Hockliffe Mcdonalds at 10am 21/10/12. Big thread on ABR now with 10 plus bikes turning up.........

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LOL I find it very amusing this comment :blagblah

I have been trail riding locally since before I've had a licence so do know 'most' of the lanes around here.. I have spent a long time looking at O.s. Maps, trawling through trail wise and simply going out and finding byways.

I also have a smaller 650 which can get I'll say anywhere, but in reality just anywhere around here as it's all relatively easy :blagblah

Infact. I am leading a ride out this coming Sunday on all totally LEGAL lanes around the Chilterns. Anyone welcome. Meeting at Hockliffe Mcdonalds at 10am 21/10/12. Big thread on ABR now with 10 plus bikes turning up.........

:blast

Not sure what's amusing about my post, I was merely referring to your comment about riding illegally in order to find more adventurous lanes. If you were keen on preserving trailriding for the future, you would have a different attitude and certainly wouldn't post such comments on a public forum for anyone to read.
 
Not sure what's amusing about my post, I was merely referring to your comment about riding illegally in order to find more adventurous lanes. If you were keen on preserving trailriding for the future, you would have a different attitude and certainly wouldn't post such comments on a public forum for anyone to read.

It's people like me that ruin it for the rest of you :comfort :thumb
 
:pullface I like winding you up, that's enough now :)

I went up to Skewbridge last night and wish I'd taken photo's now.
It's an abandonned dry ski slope.
There are concrete blocks to block vehicles getting in with grafitii all over with quotes like 'save our track', 'don't stop us using skewbridge', 'where else will we ride'...
I admit I don't go their much nor ride illegally very much at all and this is used far more by guys on moto x bikes on trailers. I just feel sorry for them....
It seems stupid stopping people getting in as they'll just start using byways and getting them closed.

I'm surprised they don't just make it into a pay-day kinda practise place .... ah well.........
 
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I'm surprised they don't just make it into a pay-day kinda practise place .... ah well.........
Probably because they wouldn't be able to get planning permission. When I spoke to the operator of the Devils Pit at Barton-le-Clay a while back he said they aren't allowed to let bikes in because of noise issues.

There are legal byways etc in Beds and Herts if you check the OS maps. I personally wouldn't risk having a 1200GSA confiscated by using the Lafarge gravel pits off the A603 near Willington. Still, you might have an advantage over Beds police because I think they'd be chasing you with 1200RTs ;)
 
Probably because they wouldn't be able to get planning permission. When I spoke to the operator of the Devils Pit at Barton-le-Clay a while back he said they aren't allowed to let bikes in because of noise issues.

There are legal byways etc in Beds and Herts if you check the OS maps. I personally wouldn't risk having a 1200GSA confiscated by using the Lafarge gravel pits off the A603 near Willington. Still, you might have an advantage over Beds police because I think they'd be chasing you with 1200RTs ;)


I know many/most of the lanes in Beds and always riding out finding more via trailwise etc.
I've been in devils pit on my 650/there's the hills behind where all the local Barton yobs ride stolen pit bikes - quite good fun in there but again not legal, although I do know the bloke who runs it...... You're right - it's all down to planning permission but what're people going to do when in another 10 years all the lanes are closed?
I'm certianly not going to stop using them because some ramblers decided!
 
Heard a rumour that a off road track for motorcycles is going to be build at Bedford Autodrome. There is a sort of track behind the the woods next to the museum and it looks to be build there.
 
Heard a rumour that a off road track for motorcycles is going to be build at Bedford Autodrome. There is a sort of track behind the the woods next to the museum and it looks to be build there.

That would be a sensible place. Already there's noise from the autodrome anyway :)
 
Plod will be keen to issue your machine with a Section 59 if he manages to catch you 'off-road', and when the vehicle has a couple of these and it is seized.


www.trf.org

Timpo.

I have no issue with the post in respect of the advice however:-

Section 59 is NOT a criminal offence it does not create a criminal recored, and any offences it relates to are RTA offences and not recordable, any prosecution is summary only.

The seizure of vehicles under section 59 is only possible if there is a section 60 notice in force for the area.

extracts:

(1)Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which— .
(a)contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and .
(b)is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,

(2) A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3) Those powers are —
(a) power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;
(b) power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;
(c) power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any
premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;
(d) power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power
conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).

(4) A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers
conferred on him by this section unless —
(a) he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and
(b) it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the warning.

(8)The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

Now if off roading in areas of London, then possibly a sec 60, out in wilds of country? unlikley, but a simple check of the local old bill will tell you. without sec 60 you can get as many 59's as you like but no constable is able to exercise powers to seize the vehicle.

Also note IS causing or Likley to!!!! very important, NOT has caused. these cant be retrospective, you cant get a 59 because the PCSO said he saw you and then told the constable later, the constable has to witness at the time.

and if a PCSO trys well dont even go there, ALL of the powers etc here are ONLY exercised by a constable in UNIFORM not off duty, not in plain clothes

The powers cannot be exercised unless the driver is BOTH using the vehicle anti-socially AND is committing either the section 3 or the section 34 offence. Someone driving in a way that might be considered anti-social but not committing either of these offences is not liable to having his vehicle seized, nor is someone committing a different motoring offence.
Simply driving off road is NOT sufficient for Section 59 it has to be ANTI-SOCIAL as well.
In addition in order to cause or be likley to cause alarm distress or annoyance to the public there actualy has to be public, if your in a deserted quarry and there is nobody else around then you cant commit the offence.
If the track you are on is private but still a track used by vehicles then no offence either and not covered by 59, if its not a footpath, bridleway or restricted byway, but is a road or tack then its not covered by section 59.

and if you are unlucky enough to get a vehicle seized under the legislation you dont actualy have to prove any thing to get it back, there is a raft of legislation re seizure under 165 and whats required to get it back however for a seizure under section 59 you just go to the pound and pick it up, no requirement to produce, licence, insurance, or logbook, they cant even charge for it as the charging is only for 165 seizures!!! go figure!!!!

and before anyone asks YES I am an expert in vehicle seizures and recovery of vehicles seized.
 
I have no issue with the post in respect of the advice however:-

Section 59 is NOT a criminal offence it does not create a criminal recored, and any offences it relates to are RTA offences and not recordable, any prosecution is summary only.

Please read line 2 and 3 again of my post, but do not mix both sentence's content. :thumb2

And thanks for the legal blurb, this may not help many, as a roadsde 'lift' (seizure) is very difficult to prevent, as I'm sure you will know if in the recovery or retrieval game. :eek:


Timpo.
 
Please read line 2 and 3 again of my post, but do not mix both sentence's content. :thumb2

And thanks for the legal blurb, this may not help many, as a roadsde 'lift' (seizure) is very difficult to prevent, as I'm sure you will know if in the recovery or retrieval game. :eek:


Timpo.

sorry mate read it and dont have clue what you are talking about, as far as I read it your post says that its criminal which its not, even if its trespass its not criminal
 


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