Oil change

[Glen]

Dose anyone change their engine oil mid service intervals?

When I had my 2009 1200gsa someone recommend a oil change mid service.
I never did this, but was wondering if there's any benefits in changing the oil every 3000 miles, or it's just a wast of time and money.

I've got a 2015 gsa and my riding is normal, no offroad hill climbing or mountain passes, maybe just the occasional dirt road.

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

Yearly or 6000 miles is more than enough. Anything else is a complete waste of time, money and resources. I am far from a tree hugger but why waste stuff!

 

[ossa eck]

Yearly or 6000 miles is more than enough. Anything else is a complete waste of time, money and resources. I am far from a tree hugger but why waste stuff!

Have to agree, I tend to over service my vehicle's ,6000 miles is often enough.

 

[MrMcNamara]

Probably agree with the above, my only concern is the friction material running around the engine from the 'wet' clutch set up - not sure the filter captures it all?. I quite like playing / taking things apart so tempted to change a couple of times a year?

 

[Watty100]

Probably agree with the above, my only concern is the friction material running around the engine from the 'wet' clutch set up - not sure the filter captures it all?. I quite like playing / taking things apart so tempted to change a couple of times a year?

I was chatting to a bloke whilst at the MOT garage a few weeks ago who mentioned the same thing about friction material getting into the engine. I laughed at him!
In nearly 40 years of riding bikes daily all year round, I've only ever had to change 1 clutch, and that was on a trail bike that I burnt out whilst stuck in a bog in 2nd gear. Just how much of this friction material do you imagine is running loose around your motor at any one time?

 

[MrMcNamara]

I was chatting to a bloke whilst at the MOT garage a few weeks ago who mentioned the same thing about friction material getting into the engine. I laughed at him!
In nearly 40 years of riding bikes daily all year round, I've only ever had to change 1 clutch, and that was on a trail bike that I burnt out whilst stuck in a bog in 2nd gear. Just how much of this friction material do you imagine is running loose around your motor at any one time?

Might have a point but its still friction material? I would have preferred gear oil in the gearbox also, but as I'm sure you will point out many bikes run with engine oil lubricating everything

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

The friction material is cork! What was the excuse for changing the oil every 3000 in Hexhead where the clutch isn't in the oil? It's all Bull shit and there is no good reason what so ever to change the oil early. The boxer engine is already nearly unique when most other manufacturers are now on 9000 mile service intervals. If you insist at least be scientific about it and get the oil tested.

All that said you will do what you will do and I doubt even the threat of red hot needles in your eye will stop you!

 

[jags]

cork as a friction material in a wet clutch? usually metal to metal in my experience.

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

cork as a friction material in a wet clutch? usually metal to metal in my experience.

Your kidding right?

 

[MrMcNamara]

The friction material is cork! What was the excuse for changing the oil every 3000 in Hexhead where the clutch isn't in the oil? It's all Bull shit and there is no good reason what so ever to change the oil early. The boxer engine is already nearly unique when most other manufacturers are now on 9000 mile service intervals. If you insist at least be scientific about it and get the oil tested.

All that said you will do what you will do and I doubt even the threat of red hot needles in your eye will stop you!

Its definitely not cork! not sure where that came from but utter bollocks! I have a spare set of plates - definitely some form of sintered material. good point on the oil analysis though, I have the ability to get my bikes used oil checked next time I drop it & will report back though its not due for a while

 

[Deleted account 190920001]

The standard material on most Japanese and some late Model European Motorcycles with wet clutches is a rubber impregnated Cork.

Ref
http://www.mrclutch.com.au/clutch_plate_materials.html

 

[MrMcNamara]

The standard material on most Japanese and some late Model European Motorcycles with wet clutches is a rubber impregnated Cork.

Ref
http://www.mrclutch.com.au/clutch_plate_materials.html

Will get my spare plates out - not Cork on the WC will photograph & post if it looks like it shows something (sintered metal compound for instance)

 

[Colin]

it's not just clutch friction material, what about metal particles from timing chains, timing chain tensioner material. if you do short runs you will get condensation inside the crankcase, I always change oil between services, or if I.m not riding the bike through the winter I will get the old oil out of it, as it will probably contain corrosive elements from the combustion process. If you have magnetic drain plugs look at the metal particles that sometimes stick to it. I would just rather pay a small amount for oil & filter than a shit load for a engine rebuild.