Optimate 4 Charging DIN

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Good evening all.

Forgive me for asking as I’m sure this has been covered somewhere, but I'm a first time owner of a BMW and the new GSA and still working all the gizmos out. I’ve just ordered the optimate 4 quad for battery tending. What’s the consensus on charging through the DIN socket and canbus?Heard mixed reviews on this and I’m leaning towards direct hook up to battery. Read and seen on YouTube that charging through the din socket could drain the battery. Not sure if this was an earlier fault with the 1300 gs when it was initially launched.

Thank you
 
you should get a lead to permanently attach to the battery with the charger. Fit this to remove a layer of complexity. This will also be handy to use with a tyre pump and other accessories like heated clothing.
 
As Wessie says only charge through a connection directly to the battery not the din socket. I road my bike home in March and plugged the Optimate into the din socket. It fully drained the battery and it had to be recovered. We got this message when we put another battery to it. BMW acknowledged not to the the optimate on the din socket with the option being to use the battery lead or to use the BMW charger thru the socket. I got a BMW charger free for the inconvenience. I had lots of electrical faults over the next few months which led to the return of the bike. This issue may or may not have been related.

Barry
 

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Thanks everyone.

Will hook up direct to battery as suggested.
 
Going straight to batter means you can power your air compressor etc without drama too


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If charging directly to the battery then just make sure you’ve changed the settings on the Optimate to standard battery charging mode not canbus charging mode. It’s very easy and it’s in the instruction manual and involves connecting the crocodile clips together.
 
If charging directly to the battery then just make sure you’ve changed the settings on the Optimate to standard battery charging mode not canbus charging mode. It’s very easy and it’s in the instruction manual and involves connecting the crocodile clips together.

Sorry but I think that this is incorrect advice. I will explain.

The Optimate is perfectly happy to maintain a directly connected battery in its CAN-bus (sic) mode. It behaves exactly as described in the manual save for the fact that it need not await the result of the handshake with the ZFE (explained below).

Here is a text that I wrote and have posted several places that is intended to debunk the notion that charging via the DIN port has anything to do with the CAN-bus. The point above is addressed therein.

The ZFE – Charger Handshake

How often have you seen or heard the term “CAN-bus” in the context of a compatible charger for the accessory socket? Way too often and almost always dead wrong.

“CAN-bus” is probably the most misused term in all of BMW-related forum electrical discussions. For an understanding of what the CAN-bus actually is and does I suggest reading the article on Wikipedia.

The ZFE (Zentrale Fahrzeugelektronik or Central Chassis Electrics) is one of several controllers on modern BMW motorcycles. Its job is to manage chassis electrics. It senses logical inputs from switches and responds by turning things (lights, horns, grip heaters…) on and off. It also monitors current draw. If the current draw exceeds a threshold then the circuit is shut down so the ZFE replaces fuses. If the current draw is below a threshold on a light circuit the ZFE assumes that there is a burned out bulb or a wiring fault and tells the Kombi (the instrument cluster) to display a warning. The ZFE manages the accessory port and shuts it down if too much current is drawn (> 5A or >10A depending on the model and year). The ZFE also monitors the accessory port for the presence of a compatible charger and connects it to the battery for charging.

Compatible chargers are often referred to as “CAN-bus” chargers or some other term using “CAN-bus”. This is nonsense and has led to a great deal of confusion. This misuse of the term “CAN-bus” probably originates with charger vendors. Early on the vendors would characterize chargers as being suitable for “CAN-bus equipped” motorcycles as a way of saying that the motorcycle had a ZFE. Later the terminology morphed into terms like “CAN-bus compatible”, “CAN-bus charger” and “CAN-bus mode”.

The CAN-bus itself does not play a role in charging via the accessory port. That many say it does is part of the mythology.

The ZFE “listens” for a specific electrical handshake from a charger and if the handshake is present the ZFE connects the charger through to the battery. No CAN-bus messaging is required to accomplish this.

A ZFE compatible charger sends and repeats a pulse train to the accessory port. The pulse train starts with the charger presenting 12V to the port for 1 second. Then it waits for 150 milliseconds. Next it sends a series of ten 12V pulses each having a duration of 10 microseconds and spaced 100 milliseconds apart. It repeats this pulse train until it senses that the ZFE has connected it to the battery and then it starts its charging procedure.

Of course you can always attach a charger directly to the battery but BMW instructs you to not do so while the battery is installed in the bike. Why? The reason is that many modern chargers are “smart” and will try to recondition (desulphate) a battery if it decides that the battery needs reconditioning. The desulphation process involves the application of high voltage pulses to the battery and if the battery is connected in the bike then all the bike’s expensive electronics also get exposed to the high voltage pulses as well. So there is some risk of damage involved. BMW isn’t going to try to explain how to determine whether your particular charger has a desulphation capability or not so it just tells you not to charge the battery directly in the bike to mitigate the risk.

If you have a smart charger and intend to connect direct to the battery while the battery is in the bike you should read the charger’s manual to see if the desulphation mode can be disabled. I use the Optimate 4 charger in its “CAN-bus mode” (sic) direct to the battery because in that mode high voltage desulphation is deactivated. I can’t be bothered with charging via the accessory port.
 
I am not having any problems with the optimate 4 (wunderlich version) through the can bus socket at the side of the dash but I will keep a check on it.

Just checked it now , turned bike on and it was showing 12.8V (is this as expected? :confused: )on the diagnostics screen before firing it up, hasn't been used for about 6 weeks. Started instantly no problems.

Optimate themselves have added some comments on the below comments section 6 months ago...looks like there may have been a software update.

 
Mines been on charge for 3 months with the BMW charger into the din socket.I managed a brief ride last week ,started instantly no issues .
Sorry to Hijack this thread. . . .
Question regarding the charger.
Did you switch it to Lithium in the modes. and from then on, even after its been unplugged, It stays in Lithium mode ?
 
A ZFE compatible charger sends and repeats a pulse train to the accessory port. The pulse train starts with the charger presenting 12V to the port for 1 second. Then it waits for 150 milliseconds. Next it sends a series of ten 12V pulses each having a duration of 10 microseconds and spaced 100 milliseconds apart. It repeats this pulse train until it senses that the ZFE has connected it to the battery and then it starts its charging procedure.
How/via what circuit does the ZFE connect the charger which is plugged in to the accessory socket to the battery?
 
optimates own comments:

The reason why the OptiMate 4 Quad Program was struggling to maintain the battery in the R1300GS was due to a significant load being imposed on the battery when the socket was live. This issue appears to have solved with updates to the motorcycle's software. The most recent testing on the electrical system shows that the motorcycle has a load of just under 350mA when the socket is live. Although 350mA is quite high, it is still below where the OptiMate 4 Quad Program would struggle keep up. The charger's software was also updated in order to counter the load on the pre-updated motorcycle's. It wasn't known how long BMW would take to fix the load issue on the bike, so action had to be taken to ensure that the charger could deal with it! Any one who is still having problems with the charger not being able to support the battery means that their motorcycle hasn't received the latest updates, and that they have one of the small number of chargers that hadn't received the programming update. About the advice from BMW about only using their charger. Like all vehicle manufacturer's they are only every going to recommend that you use their own product. It has nothing to do with the product being incompatible with their motorcycle, or even causing warranty issues. It is purely so they sell their chargers over some other manufacturer's product.
 
Sorry to Hijack this thread. . . .
Question regarding the charger.
Did you switch it to Lithium in the modes. and from then on, even after its been unplugged, It stays in Lithium mode ?
It's stays in the mode you select,I've never changed mine and it's been unplugged and plugged in many times.👍
 
I’ve only had my 1300GS a couple of months but have been charging successfully through the DIN socket. However please make sure you have purchased the Optimate 4 Quad that charges Lithium batteries as I was told the standard Optimate 4 is not suitable. Bloody annoying as I only replaced my Optimate a couple of months prior.
I don’t believe you can use a standard charger for a Lithium battery, can anyone confirm? I’ve also noticed that if I do any lengthy work on the bike with the ignition on it seems to drain the battery quickly and then takes a while to fully charge up again on the Optimate?
 
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I’ve only had my 1300GS a couple of months but have been charging successfully through the DIN socket. However please make sure you have purchased the Optimate 4 Quad that charges Lithium batteries as I was told the standard Optimate 4 is not suitable. Bloody annoying as I only replaced my Optimate a couple of months prior.
I don’t believe you can use a standard charger for a Lithium battery, can anyone confirm? I’ve also noticed that if I do only lengthy work on the bike with the ignition on it seems to drain the battery quickly and then takes a while to fully charge up again on the Optimate?
There was a great post on here, with a comprehensive breakdown of the differences between the batteries, and why you cant use a standard charger. Cant find the post now.....
I also posted about working on the bike with the ignition on, and with the charging plugged in....
 
Is there a reason people need to be constantly charging (or maintaining) their batteries? I've never in 40 years had to charge a battery during my riding season. Also when my bike is stored for 5 months over winter my batteries have never dropped below 12.5 volts. This is indoor heated storage mind you.
This is my first LiFePO4 battery and I have purchased the Optimate Lithium 4S 6 amp (TM391) recently. I clipped directly to the battery and in a few seconds it indicated fully charged. Are things different in the UK?
 


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