Overpriced 1100's??

[(RIP) Kaister]

as far as i can see the price mr boxer paid reflects the condition and mileage .

any other bits are just a bonus......

....and then when you buy the enhancements you get new stuff rather than half worn stuff.

what i'm waiting to hear is the real life report of the 1100 vs the 1150.

c'mon JB

 

[Daithi]

what i'm waiting to hear is the real life report of the 1100 vs the 1150.

I was very interested in this topic and found the opinions interesting, for me,
how much a bike is worth is completely dependent on how much a buyer will
pay, it has nothing to do with the value we place on our bikes. I presume the
perceived "inflated" prices owners put on their 1100's is down to their high
opinion of the bike.
I'd be very interested in finding out the pros and cons of the 1100 Vs 1150.


I've a 1995 1100.

 

[JohnnyBoxer]

Points taken,chaps

1100v1150Adv..............

1100
In standard form I think they got the screen right, just enough to take the windblast off and i'm 6'1. Everything falls to hand and feels right.

Power delivery is more raw, but 60-90mph in 5th feels faster than the 1150Adv and top speed is no different I guess.

Bike handles well, but brakes aren't as refined as the later 1150 Evo brakes (non ABS)

The 1100 beak is iconic and started the trend.

Seems better screwed together than 1150's and some of the design is better

1150Adv
Again this bike has a unique look, however I've swapped the single seat for a Corbin dual seat, it was far too uncomfortable and spoiled the riding position.

Similarly the Adv screen was rubbish, compared to the 1100's and now i use a 1150GS MRA set-up. Apart from that the Adv is stock in terms of riding position.

Never bought risers/lowerers, so don't know if they're any good

Performance is good and the gearbox is smoother than an 1100..............but the bike lacks the raw edge of the 1100.

Major drawback of the 1150Adv is it's too tall, ok when on the move..........but manhandling the bike around is extra effort and can catch the unwary out............the 1100 is a doddle

So there you have it from my perspective

1100GS's seem to very good value for money at present, but prices may start rising in future years

 

[Trippy]

1150Adv
Again this bike has a unique look, however I've swapped the single seat for a Corbin dual seat, it was far too uncomfortable and spoiled the riding position.

Never bought risers/lowerers, so don't know if they're any good

Performance is good and the gearbox is smoother than an 1100..............but the bike lacks the raw edge of the 1100.

Seat: Shows we're all different, I find mine so much more comfortale than my 1100.

Risers: I have them and they really make a difference to my lower back when off roading allowing me to stand straighter.

Performance/gearbox: Agreed.

When I was changing bikes I would have seriously considered a minty low mileage 1100 like JB's and bolted the add ons rather than spending £2500 more on an Adventure, however I do like the look and size of my new bike.

 

[Flipfly]

I find the ADV seat far more comfy too, I swopped from duel seat to ADV seat for this reason.
Standard footpegs are all crap, got a set from my bro's prilla 550 and they are great. Adjustable gear change thingy cause I wear motox boots. Standard screen is ok with tobinators fitted and a winscreen extender. Hated the MRA that was on it so that got sold.
Steering stop hard part (just in case) and HID kit with spots and fogs.
The bike has been personolized for my use and aside from ohlins or wilbers, I don't think I'd change much.
The 1100 was a great bike but lacked the 6th gear which to me made it feel revvy.
I also think the styling on the 1150 is nicer but that's all down to personal choice.
Brian O has a nice 1100 for sale and I would say it's worth every penny of the £3100 he is asking. Price is relative to condition and desirability.
The 1100 will no doubt be more desirable in the future than the 1150 and the price will reflect this. The SE 1150 will however be the most desirable IMHO Trippy you lucky lucky b'stard!!!!!!

 

[PIGGLET]

Just recently bought a 98 1100 after having to sell my 1150 GSA last year.
I paid 2.5K for my one owner 35k FSH bike with ABS.
Cosmetically it's not mint, the bike has done nearly all of it's miles outside the UK, a large portion of which were racked up in a RTW trip where it's tricky to keep the bike polished and cleaned.
There is very little corrosion as it's not been exposed to UK winter roads but as I said it's not mint. Mechanically however it's sweet as a nut. smooth motor and gearbox, the only problems I've encountered are the paralever bearing needed replacing and the rebound adjuster on the rear shock was stuck.
I found the original screen crap so fitted an MRA, much better! Use it off-road so fitted the TT G box hard part, currently trying a corbin seat as due to my scrawny ass with no padding I've found all bike seats uncomfortable. The corbin's an improvement but is just too wide for me. I've also ordered a wilbers rear shock as after 35K I reckon mines past it's best.
At the moment money is a bit of an issue for me due to changing jobs, buying a house etc. I'd love another GSA as I think they look fantastic but for what my 1100 stands me at, fully sorted, I really can't justify the extra expense (about 3.5-4KK for a mint bike with the same mods ).
The 1100 will do pretty much everything the GSA will do but for me here's the big difference......... If i drop, so what, its a 2.5 grand bike. My GSA was a pristine 7.5K bike and TBH I was worried about wrecking it and losing loads of money.
As a result I'm enjoying my 1100 so much more.
When I can afford to feel the same way about a £7.5K bike I'll probably get another GSA (especially as the 1100 front end is so fugly (IMO))
Anyway, there's a short essay on how an 1100 compares to an 1150 from my perspective which is mainy financial

 

[King Rat]

So why are 1100 Gs more sought after? Is there a market force at work because they are older and therefore that bit cheaper making them more desirable to a wider range of buyers? Or is it because of a mechanical/build difference?

Interested as I thought the 1150 was the better one - lusted for 5 odd years. Then saw the 1150 Adventure brochure when they first came out - those glorious Atacama desert pictures, and havibng just come back from working in Chile I wanted one, there and then. I am a photographer and those pictures sold it to me.........start playing the Supertramp song now......


"Dreamer"

Anyway, from then on there was only one bike I aspired to - shame a couple of media tarts had to go and spoil it

Anyway, a windfall got blown on a 3 year old one - but would I have been better getting an 1100 and tarting it? I do like the higher ride height.

So, feedback please. Just out of interest because I am not swapping now I have clocked over 20,000 miles onto her since 18th November 2006. I doubt it is worth as much as an older 1100 BUT, it will see me for another 10 years or so.

 

[cookie]

i've never seen any evidence to suggest 1100s are more sought after, though i'd say there's a lot less of them about.

maybe they'll become more so after people read this thread

 

[Smartbazza]

Prices.

Thanks.

Lots of good points made. I think as Tuned says 3k for a very good one ie well looked after. Again I think Johnny B's bike is a prime example and the price reflects this (and it looks worth every penny) but there seems to be loads being posted at this sort of money that are nowhere near this standard and they dont sell.

Nasty1. I know what you're saying as I currently have other 'wheels' that some people ask 'am I mad?' for what I've paid but my point is that these bikes dont seem to sell at the money they're advertised at. I certainly dont expect something for nothing but with GS's we're constantly told the condition is everything ie nice shiny wheels, little barrel corrosion etc.

Perhaps I've grown out of touch with the values of 11's discuss.

 

[Smartbazza]

Den.

Den,

I'd guess your bike was worth £4500 firm. (stand to be corrected).
To be honest when I'm selling bikes / cars I go down the line of telling people what I want for it and wont budge.

Sold a Honda car the other week which was worth 10K so I advertised it at that. Got the usual bellends offering 9K etc sucking teeth, not worth that etc. I ended up saying goodbye to one chap after going through this and when back into the house. 5 minutes later the door knocked and he handed me the money.

That's the way (rightly or wrongly) I operate. I probably asked you for a no bull price when I sold yo the carbon mudguard?

Regards Barry.

 

[Crapaud]

Interesting thread.

After seeing the prices some Airheads have sold for I kept thinking the 1100s were seriously undervalued and must go up in the longer term.

I'm extremely happy with my 1100 having been a fan of boxer BMWs for many years having had an original R80G/S in early 80s (I know, I should never have sold it...).

I've tried the 1150s and 1200 but never found a good enough reason to change. Mine has only done 25k miles and only had 6k on it when I bought it second hand 4 years ago. Unfortunately, the wheels were already corroded slightly so I got it for a very fair price (£4,250 at the time).

As I intend to keep it for many more years I have recently spent more money on it. In the last week I've ordered Metal Mules, Wilbers shocks and Touratech hard parts (I wonder which item will be last to arrive?). I've already added Remus titanium pipe and 31 lt Adv SE tank so it at least looks and sounds right.

For me the value of the bike is completely irrelevant. I was offered £2,800 by Ocean as a trade in against a new 12Adv last year and it seemed madness to pay an extra £8,000 just to get a newer bike.

I'm certainly not an obsessive polisher and would rather get the bike filthy off-road than spend time in the garage cleaning it. To some my bike is probably worth only £2,500 but to me it is worth far more than that as I would simply never sell it for that.

Too many people these days seem to think they must have "this years fashion" when the difference is negligible.

My 1100 is reliable, comfortable, fast enough in most situations, a great tourer, fantastic fun off-road and a great all-rounder.

Like many owners, I think they are so good I would consider buying a spare one in case anything ever happened to mine. That shows how happy I am with my 1100.

Sid

 

[Daithi]

Brilliant thread this.

Not sure if the following comment is relevent to the direction this thread is
going, and since I have very little experience of the 1150 and even less of
the 12's my comments must be limited to my own experience.
What I like about the 1100 is the simplicity of how it's designed, I know where
everything is and would have a better chance of understanding how to fix it
myself, the other main reason is the fact that while I do value my bike (mad
about the yoke and won't be changing it) it's monetary value is quite low. I
do not polish my bike, it gets a powerwash when I think of it, I can give it a bit of
a thrashing and not worry too much about dropping it, there are no crash bars
on it, and might never be.
And so, to my point at last. The 1100 even with it's failings, which are few, seems
to be, in most ways, every bit as good as the newer models, only simpler and
maybe more reliable, and the reason for the seemingly inflated prices being
sought for them is that owners of 1100 know what they have and see the
value of that. 60k in a little over a year, well pleased with mine, not for sale.


But I could be totally wrong.

 

[kokoro]

1100gs

aye your right mate,ive had the 1150 with all the bells and whistles,now ive got the 1100 and got it last year with 6500miles on it fbmsh.1100 is better built and faster in stock trim.

 

[(RIP) Kaister]

i'll add my points in as completeness.

i thought my 1100 was 'right''with a laser system ..apart from the seat - which was really uncomfortable.

I've now got a sargeant seat and its transformed it.

BUT - the one thing that really transformed its feel was a pair of ''ricky'' risers and Renthals.

1100's are so rare out here that when mine was written off - i went to the salvage aucton and bought it back.

subtle mods are a TFI box and modified air inlet hardware - snorkel and tubes.

The only thing i think i need now is a decent rear shock...

 

[GrahamD]

I rang about an 8000 mile Kalahari at £4000 and it had gone in 3 days They are now Classics Buggar !! gonna push prices up and I wanted it to do some offroad!

Oops, sorry, that was probably me that bought it - £4k for 10,200 miles and only 15 miles from Home in Sussex. Remus exhaust, as well as original, full Givi plate as well so the top box goes straight on - I looked at it with my Bro, who's got an 1150GS in immaculate condition and he reckoned it was better than his - FSH, MOT'd and price haggled down a bit - Fabulous colour and really striking bike thats great to ride. My wife and I had a K100LT before and this is way more comfortable and sure footed to ride - even with the standard screen we're getting less wind buffeting at 70 than we were with the old bike at 50.

Although the price was high the condition dictated that I had to have it - I'll never get a better bike unless I buy new.

Does it sound like I'm in love

Graham
p.s. Now if only it would stop raining all the time........

 

[laughing gas]

Just to add my two penneth, the finish on the 1100 seems much better than on later 1150's, and is a hell of a lot better than on the 1200's
Considered selling my 1100 in order to buy a HP2, but my 1100 is worth bugger all and is still sooooo much fun
I might as well keep the 1100 and just start saving for the HP2

 

[Nasty1]

Just to add my two penneth, the finish on the 1100 seems much better than on later 1150's, and is a hell of a lot better than on the 1200's
Considered selling my 1100 in order to buy a HP2, but my 1100 is worth bugger all and is still sooooo much fun
I might as well keep the 1100 and just start saving for the HP2

I didn't think the HP2 was all its cracked up to be IMO, try the KTM as well before you spend your hard earned cash.

Adie

 

[laughing gas]

I didn't think the HP2 was all its cracked up to be IMO, try the KTM as well before you spend your hard earned cash.

Adie

Must admit the KTM super enduro does look the dogs danglies

 

[Nin]

Must admit the KTM super enduro does look the dogs danglies

And is eminently more crashable. No busted gearboxes ...

 

[Smartbazza]

Overpriced???

Well at the time of posting there were various 1100's for sale - did they all sell through this forum and did they get what they were asking?

If my memory serves me right there were a couple of good ones around the 3250 mark?

Comments invited from all including any sellers / buyers.

Barry.