purds
Registered user
Yeah me too.
God bless BMW
God bless BMW
purds
Registered user
Bolt one of these to each pannier and your front engine cover and all your worries will be over
Or one of these
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araspitfire
Registered user
Sacrificial anodes do work!
On pretty much any aluminium (with steel hardware)....
Submerged completely in water...
So Fanum would get good results most of the time... and some of the fools who follow him would get about a day's worth of protection...
Al...
On pretty much any aluminium (with steel hardware)....
Submerged completely in water...
So Fanum would get good results most of the time... and some of the fools who follow him would get about a day's worth of protection...
Al...
LiquidLAN
Registered user
Bolt one of these to each pannier and your front engine cover and all your worries will be over
nice to see this has turned into a slangin match...
have been wondering about these since I mentioned it earlier - I know they work for outboard engines but I've got a hunch that's because the whole thing is emersed in salt water
serious question, would this work on the panniers?? I'm guessing not? unless the whole thing was immersed in which case corroding panniers are the least of your worries...
Sacrificial anodes do work!
On pretty much any aluminium (with steel hardware)....
Submerged completely in water...
So Fanum would get good results most of the time... and some of the fools who follow him would get about a day's worth of protection...
Al...
ah... there is my answer... shame would have beed a nice solution if it worked...
snoopy
Guest
Here's my suggestions
1. Zine primer (expensive) followed by suitable paint.
2. Exhaust paint (the real stuff), cheap and sticks to aluminium really well as part zinc based, but requires heat to set properly.
3. Power coating, from a suitable company
4. ceramic coating? maybe possible on alu
5. cover as much as possible in transparent backing.
6. annodising, if it is thicker stuff.
7. ride the bike and sod the panniers, cos they are gunna get bashed and dinted anyway. Aluminium corrodes and pits on the surface but it's better than rust.
For £1,000 they should have been made from Ti Sheet anyway!
1. Zine primer (expensive) followed by suitable paint.
2. Exhaust paint (the real stuff), cheap and sticks to aluminium really well as part zinc based, but requires heat to set properly.
3. Power coating, from a suitable company
4. ceramic coating? maybe possible on alu
5. cover as much as possible in transparent backing.
6. annodising, if it is thicker stuff.
7. ride the bike and sod the panniers, cos they are gunna get bashed and dinted anyway. Aluminium corrodes and pits on the surface but it's better than rust.
For £1,000 they should have been made from Ti Sheet anyway!
For reference:
Aluminium corrodes very quickly (actually much more quickly than Iron and Steel). However, the oxide that forms when aluminium atoms oxidise does not fall off like the rust on iron, but clings tightly to the surface of the aluminium. Very quickly, a hard layer of aluminium oxide covers the metal, and protects the aluminium metal beneath. No more aluminium can oxidise, as it has been sealed off from the oxygen and water needed to make the reaction happen.
When salt is added to the water, the powerful Cl- ions attack the aluminium oxide coating, tearing it from the surface and exposing new aluminium metal. As soon as this aluminium metal corrodes into aluminium oxide, it too is stripped from the surface by the Cl- ions. The natural protection that aluminium gets from its oxide coating is lost. This is the reason that aluminium cars and equipment will often corrode badly if they are used in or near the sea.
i.e. don't polish the oxide layer off during summer, but it is going to get worse with salt on the roads.
Aluminium corrodes very quickly (actually much more quickly than Iron and Steel). However, the oxide that forms when aluminium atoms oxidise does not fall off like the rust on iron, but clings tightly to the surface of the aluminium. Very quickly, a hard layer of aluminium oxide covers the metal, and protects the aluminium metal beneath. No more aluminium can oxidise, as it has been sealed off from the oxygen and water needed to make the reaction happen.
When salt is added to the water, the powerful Cl- ions attack the aluminium oxide coating, tearing it from the surface and exposing new aluminium metal. As soon as this aluminium metal corrodes into aluminium oxide, it too is stripped from the surface by the Cl- ions. The natural protection that aluminium gets from its oxide coating is lost. This is the reason that aluminium cars and equipment will often corrode badly if they are used in or near the sea.
i.e. don't polish the oxide layer off during summer, but it is going to get worse with salt on the roads.
purds
Registered user
So put your money where your mouth is & sue the buggers then...
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Rest assured if I did have this issue I would not hesitate to issue in the small claims court.
Then you would be wrong.
Implied warranty
A guarantee about the quality of goods or services purchased that is not written down or explicitly spoken.
Virtually everything you buy comes with two implied warranties. One for ‘merchantability’ and one for ‘fitness.’
The implied warranty of 'merchantability' is an assurance that a new item will work for its specified purpose. The item doesn't have to work wonderfully, and if you use it for something it wasn't designed for, say trimming shrubs with an electric carving knife, the warranty doesn't apply.
The implied warranty of 'fitness' applies when you buy an item for a specific purpose. If you notified the seller of your specific needs, the item is guaranteed to meet them. For example, if you buy new tires for your bicycle after telling the store clerk that you plan to use them for mountain cycling and the tires puncture when you pass over a small rock, the tires don't conform to the warranty of fitness.
Now:
Nowhere does BuMW claim that their panniers will not stain or corrode. Nobody seems to have asked for specific and clear written or verbal confirmation, from BuMW or their sales agents, that the panniers will stay pristine through year round use in a host of different environments.
The purpose of the panniers is, without a doubt, to carry articles. The panniers should do so safely, whilst attached to a BuMW 1200GS motorcycle, in accordance with the manufacture's instructions and in accordance with several specific Motoring laws.....and very little else. It is quite clear that, despite their perhaps outwardly stained appearance, the panniers are more than capable of performing this simple function, remarkably well, over a long period of time.
Case dismissed, plaintiff to pay their and the defence's costs....Next!
purds
Registered user
A pannier obviously has an ' appearance' element - just as the motorcyle it's attached to does.
It is also obvious that the pannier will be used in various environments including wet conditions and in occasional contact with road salt.
The OP did not report a lack of the panniers reamanining 'pristine' but rather that there was very considerable corrosion within a very short service life.
Furthermore there was absolutely no care instruction explaining the severe vulnerability of the aluminium when subjected to road salt.
If you choose to accept this a one of those things that the purchaser should have been aware of then that is up to you. If it was me I spend the relatively small amount of money - about £65 I think is the current sum - and issue proceedings. It's a simple process and you don't neccessarily need legal representation.
BTW the last time I used this procedure the rules prevented costs being claimed by either side and in any eventually - so 'Case dismissed, plaintiff to pay their and the defence's costs....Next! ' didn't really apply. AFAIAA this is still the same.
It is also obvious that the pannier will be used in various environments including wet conditions and in occasional contact with road salt.
The OP did not report a lack of the panniers reamanining 'pristine' but rather that there was very considerable corrosion within a very short service life.
Furthermore there was absolutely no care instruction explaining the severe vulnerability of the aluminium when subjected to road salt.
If you choose to accept this a one of those things that the purchaser should have been aware of then that is up to you. If it was me I spend the relatively small amount of money - about £65 I think is the current sum - and issue proceedings. It's a simple process and you don't neccessarily need legal representation.
BTW the last time I used this procedure the rules prevented costs being claimed by either side and in any eventually - so 'Case dismissed, plaintiff to pay their and the defence's costs....Next! ' didn't really apply. AFAIAA this is still the same.
It was a joke....
Your arguement is based on the 'Not fit for purpose', which fails.
I suggest you take on the various concerned / pissed-off / miserable / slightly annoyed persons' complaints, in a class action, against BuMW. Charge them £50 a head, say, and represent them in the Small Claims Court....you'll make a fortune....providing you don't go for a no-win-no-fee basis.
purds
Registered user
'An implied term in a contract for the sale of goods within the meaning of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 (SOGA). Goods are of satisfactory quality if they meet the standard which a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory, taking account of:
Any description of the goods;
The price; and
All other relevant circumstances (section 14(2A), SOGA).
In addition, the quality of goods includes their state and condition and the following factors (among others) are to be taken into account in determining whether goods are of satisfactory quality:
Fitness for all the purposes for which goods of that kind are commonly supplied;
Appearance and finish;
Freedom from minor defects;
Safety; and
Durability (section 14(2B), SOGA).'
Any description of the goods;
The price; and
All other relevant circumstances (section 14(2A), SOGA).
In addition, the quality of goods includes their state and condition and the following factors (among others) are to be taken into account in determining whether goods are of satisfactory quality:
Fitness for all the purposes for which goods of that kind are commonly supplied;
Appearance and finish;
Freedom from minor defects;
Safety; and
Durability (section 14(2B), SOGA).'
Well I think this just about sums up perfectly whats wrong with this completely fecked up country. No-one wants to take responsibility for their own actions anymore and looks for something or someone to blame - just like measuring the height of paving stone if you fall down and looking to sue; instead of realising it helps to look where your going.
Still can't see where they fail.
Any description of the goods: They are exactly what BuMW describe them to be in their sales literature. Panniers for a 1200GSA.
Fitness for all the purposes for which goods of that kind are commonly supplied: They are commonly supplied for the sole purpose of carrying articles on a 12GSA. They work.
They are sold to the customer free of defects: Locks work. No scratches. Clean. The customer is free to inspect them at the point of sale and confims he is happy, by buying them.
Appearance and finish: They are matched to the bike, look good on the bike and are suitably shiny. The customer is happy to buy them.
Freedom from minor defects: As above.
Safety: Nobody has suggested that they are in anyway dangerous. THere have been no recalls or apparent updates on safety grounds.
Durability: They seem to last and, baring tumbles onto a hard surface, will probably last as long as the bike. There is a strong market for second hand ones.
Price: Would appear acceptable. Plenty are sold to customers.
Nothing has troubled the Sale of Goods Act.
Still can't find anything either that makes them unfit for the purpose they were sold to the customer for. The outer tarnishing, that some people complain / comment about, does not render them in any way unsuitable or unable to do the job they were intended and sold to do.
The tarnishing doesn't make them leak, fall off, collapse in a pile of dust, or shrink, losing or reducing the panniers' capacity to carry articles. Nor does it make the panniers dangerous to the rider or the world at large. In short, they remain as fit for their intended purchased purpose as they were on the day they left the sales room. In other words, which a reasonable person would regard as satisfactory.
If you want, shiny, shiny, shiny....buy something else....or wash them more regularly, just like the rest of the bike.
Washing motorcycle
Make sure that the motorcycle is washed frequently, especially during the winter months.
To remove road salt, clean the motorcycle with cold water immediately after every trip.
Aluminium parts
Clean aluminium parts with a suitable cleaning agent; these cleaning agents are available from your authorised BMW Motorrad dealer. Use plenty of water and BMW shampoo to clean aluminium parts exposed to road salt.
Pages 130 and 131 of the Rider's Manual R1200GS Adventure.
....seems clear enough. Even allowing for a bit of BuMW sales potential, flogging their in-house branded jollup.
Maybe giving the the panniers a good polish with one of the avalable kits would do the job,after all customisers and sports bike riders manage to keep their ally bits looking reasonable after polishing to a high shine.It is not ideal but just a thought.Would have been nice if the panniers had had a nice hard anodised coating on them.I dont know if this would be able to be done to the panniers now?Any metal treatment place may need to know the grade of ally used.Think I would invest in a polishing mop kit and give that a go.I have thye vario boxes,but fancy ally ones.I'm thinking of getting the TT rack and making my own boxes.
But I must reapeat seems a bit poor quality from BMW.
Maybe a group letter to them would give them a nudge
Hope you can all resolve to your own individual satisfaction.
It can only do all BMW's customers good.
But I must reapeat seems a bit poor quality from BMW.
Maybe a group letter to them would give them a nudge
Hope you can all resolve to your own individual satisfaction.
It can only do all BMW's customers good.
They're actually made by Touratech. I don't have a problem with the quality.
Now like the charger thread, this will eventually go away with the coming of the Spring. It will probably re-surface next winter (like it has done this winter).
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