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Wizard said:
Gotta love the health and safety nazis.
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:ronno

Wizard said:
"in the event of inappropriate handling" your handguard may move.
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I do have a simple question.

How come that the European Commission is ONLY warning about the danger of BMW motorcycles with these hand guards (not one single motorcycle with hand guards from another manufacturer)? How come that ONLY BMW (not one single other manufacturer) is warning with a supplement to the manual, stickers for the hand guards and a two-pages letter?

My guess is:

1. There is something wrong with the BMW motorcycles / hand guards

2. There is something wrong with the BMW riders

Which answer is correct? :augie
 
nemezis said:
:ronno



I do have a simple question.

How come that the European Commission is ONLY warning about the danger of BMW motorcycles with these hand guards (not one single motorcycle with hand guards from another manufacturer)? How come that ONLY BMW (not one single other manufacturer) is warning with a supplement to the manual, stickers for the hand guards and a two-pages letter?

My guess is:

1. There is something wrong with the BMW motorcycles / hand guards

2. There is something wrong with the BMW riders

Which answer is correct? :augie
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You forgot Option 3) Only BMW has some complete knobber trolling the Internet and posting tons of shit about anything he can for some reason he hasn't the bollocks to declare.
 
nemezis said:
:ronno



I do have a simple question.

How come that the European Commission is ONLY warning about the danger of BMW motorcycles with these hand guards (not one single motorcycle with hand guards from another manufacturer)? How come that ONLY BMW (not one single other manufacturer) is warning with a supplement to the manual, stickers for the hand guards and a two-pages letter?

My guess is:

1. There is something wrong with the BMW motorcycles / hand guards

2. There is something wrong with the BMW riders

3.Only BMW has a sad inadequate customer called Nemezis,who is attempting to make a name for himself,bombarding halfbaked Euro jobsworths,who have no common sense, with Emails about his inability to master the art of safe motorcycle riding.

Which answer is correct? :augie
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There ya go added the corect answer to your multiple choice quiz:D
 
Again, my simple question to you wise guys is:

How come that the European Commission is ONLY warning all 27 member states about the danger of BMW motorcycles with these hand guards in question (and not one single motorcycle with hand guards from another manufacturer)? How come that ONLY BMW (and not one single other manufacturer) is warning his customers with a supplement to the manual, funny stickers for the hand guards and a two-pages letter full of warning?

Which answer is correct:

1. There is something wrong with the BMW motorcycles / hand guards

2. There is something wrong with the BMW riders

It's a serious question. Because personally I do believe there's nothing wrong with the hand guards in question. But with the special circumstances. At least one rider crashed and was seriously injured. His bike was equipped with power assisted integral-brakes. What about the other two? At this time I don't know but I am investigating the case.

Keep you informed! ;)
 
***equipped with power assisted integral-brakes***
and there was me thinking you had given up on this one:blast
 
nemezis said:
It's a serious question. Because personally I do believe there's nothing wrong with the hand guards in question. But with the special circumstances. At least one rider crashed and was seriously injured. His bike was equipped with power assisted integral-brakes. What about the other two? At this time I don't know but I am investigating the case.

Keep you informed! ;)
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Well there you go
"personally I do believe there's nothing wrong with the hand guards in question. But with the special circumstances."

Clearly the special circumstances are riders who are inept,and have reaped the rewrds of being twats,and if you like,from a previous post of mine "Thick Twats"
Three people have fallen off?How many have not?Id like to know if these muppets had,dropped their bikes prior to these accidents,or caught a wing mirror during a dodgy filter exercise,etc.Ask that question of them,when you get the answer" Ahh jahr Vee deed the hitting of the ving mirror/dropping hof zee bike/scraping hof zee vahl"
Then you will start to realise its the idiots who cannot think farther than the end of their nose who caused the accidents and not plastic hand guards.
 
So karnevil, you agree that the problem are the BMW-riders (answer no 2)?

I admire your language. :thumb
 
nemezis said:
So karnevil, you agree that the problem are the BMW-riders (answer no 2)?

I admire your language. :thumb
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No.I subscribe to answer 3.And you are now changing your tune ,you have previously stated that these guards are a flawed design now you seem to be blaming ALL BMW riders.
 
You know the facts: RAPEX, EU, 27 meber-states, warning about serious risk of riding BMW motorcycles type R12 because of locking front wheels during ride and various brake- and clutch malfunction, 3 incidents registered and at least one serious injured rider (R12000GS '04, power assisted brakes, 1 week hospital) known. If you don't like the facts, if you don't like RAPEX, the EU rapid alert system for all dangerous consumer products, you might complain directly at the European Commission:

EUROPEAN COMMISSION
Directorate General for 'Health and Consumers'
B-1049 BRUSSELS

But before you complain you might answer the following questions:

1. Are the "old" hand guards flawed?
2. Are the GS-riders flawed?

If the handguards are not flawed, why did BMW change them with the '08 models? And if the handguards are not flawed, why is the EU not warning about the flawed GS-riders?

I don't get it. But I like your language. :bow
 
if you don't like RAPEX, the EU rapid alert system for all dangerous consumer products, you might complain directly at the European Commission:
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RAPEX is part of our over protective health and safety mad world. A world where “accidents” don’t just happen but every incident is someone’s fault and with the right rules in place every accident is avoidable and we can all live forever wrapped up in cotton wool.

There is a growing movement within the European Commission to restrict and then eventually ban motorcycles from our roads altogether thus reducing road deaths and injuries completely. The motorcycle has to be the ultimate dangerous consumer product. Your personal vendetta against BMW is only aiding this movement. Your hostile reception here is not because we are all ardent BMW fans and blindly defending the brand but because you are attacking motorcycling in general.

So to answer your question

Yes the handguards are flawed in the same way every motorcycle ever built or every likely to be built is flawed. That is to say if used inappropriately they may cause injury or even death. BMW have recognised this very slight chance and changed the design.

Stumpy
 
stumpy said:
Your hostile reception here is not because we are all ardent BMW fans and blindly defending the brand but because you are attacking motorcycling in general.
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No I am not attacking motorcycling in general. Indeed I love riding motorcycle. And I know flaws are flaws, and poor quality is poor quality. And I do know that falling of a bike because of flaws and poor quality hurts and may result in surgery or death!

RAPEX, the European Union (EU) is warning the 27 member states of the risk of injuries because of flaws and poor quality on bmw motorcycles. Nearly every week. The German Federal Motor Transport Authority is responsible for the dangerous products reported:

Week 30 (published on 01-08-2008):

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Week 28 (published on 18-07-2008):

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Week 27 (published on 11-07-2008):

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The reason only BMW are affected is that, as far as I'm aware, they are th eonly bike regularly fitted with handguards that will suffer any sort of malfunction if the brake lever is accidentally pulled in a bit.

Doesn't make it BMW's problem if some people drop their bike, don't give it a once over before carrying on, and somehow manage to avoid seeing the bright red flashing warning light....

I crashed my car into a ditch once. After this, the brakes didn't work properly. If I continued driving it and had another crash, would this be the manufacturer's fault?
 
Robin said:
The reason only BMW are affected is that, as far as I'm aware, they are th eonly bike regularly fitted with handguards that will suffer any sort of malfunction if the brake lever is accidentally pulled in a bit.
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malfunction only on bmw motorcycles equipped with ABS-brakes, especially with powerassisted integral-brakes. lockup during ride, as you know.

that's what I thought. it's not about the handguards but about the ABS.
 
karnevil said:
He dont have any fitted............

Quote.....Nemezis from his last closed thread
I'm sorry. But these handguards are not properly designed. That's a fact. I don't ride no handguards so I have taken responsibility.
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TBH I don't think he even rides a GS, my guess is a Vstrom (perhaps sans handguards!). I just think he likes to complain about BM's because they haven't listened to his complaints:thedummy.
 
I agree with Nemezis for once :D

When I dropped my bike in Morocco, the plastic thing was damaged and was doing that thing to the brake lever. I noticed it quite early on and "twisted" back.
 
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