Mmm - very interesting replies there, thanks lads - especially Rob Mac - it certainly demonstrates that I was wrong about cyclists - glad I brought the subject up.
Mike
i think most people are wrong about cyclists.
they need to be run over.
Pedestrian crossing rules?
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i think most people are wrong about cyclists.
they need to be run over.
Klanky
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That poses another questionI always thought that it was permitted to overtake in the zig zag lines except the lead car and acceptable to overtake on zebra when the traffic was 'grid locked' for want of a better term, obviously slowly and with caution.
Yes to the first bit.
Possibly no......but possibly yes....
The second one is a 'no' because you are still overtaking the lead car at the crossing and the lead vehicle could be obscuring a pedestrian who has already started to cross. BUT the HC says you must not overtake the lead car if it 'has stopped to give way' (Rule 191)...if you're filtering a traffic jam then you could argue that no-one is actually stopped to give way to pedestrians. But if there's anyone on foot near the crossing I reckon you'd stand a good chance of getting pulled.
rob mac
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That poses another question
Yes, but don't forget that rule still applies having passed the crossing also.
Grey Beard
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... and it was some time ago, a very bruised cyclist was most upset when he was reported for Reckless Cycling having cycled across in front of a car as it approached a pedestrian crossing; said car having promptly run him over
Mind you, we were playing 'most obscure offence' at the time
As I understand it, cyclists (actually cycling) are not allowed to do so on a zebra crossing. They must be pedestrians - i.e. pushing the bike.
Only pedestrians have priority while on the zebra crossing.
It's OK (per my driving teacher in Germany) to pass behind someone on a zebra crossing (but not in front of course) - i.e. an old dear with zimmer frame taking a long time to cross.
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Klanky
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Cyclists can only cycle across a 'Toucan' crossing (ie; a crossing specifically labelled for cyclists as well as pedestrians). They must dismount and walk across any other, as the crossing becomes an extension of the pavement when in use.
What's the difference between someone pushing a bike and someone pushing a wheelbarrow? Why would one be a cyclist in the eyes of the law but not the other?
The one pushing a wheelbarrow would obviously not be a cyclist - never heard of a wheelbarrowist
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"As for "pushing a bike makes you a cyclist"... If you're pushing a car* does it make you a driver????"
That bring up another anomily - you're pissed - and want to spend the night in your car to sober up - even if your keys are in your pocket you can be nicked as "in charge" of that vehicle. So, in that vein - if you're asleep, how can you be a driver?
'Spose to be safe - leave the keys in the pub.
That bring up another anomily - you're pissed - and want to spend the night in your car to sober up - even if your keys are in your pocket you can be nicked as "in charge" of that vehicle. So, in that vein - if you're asleep, how can you be a driver?
'Spose to be safe - leave the keys in the pub.
What about if you straddle the bike and waddle across only touching the handlebars?
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What about roller bladers and skate boarders?
This thread has got me thinking - When was the last time you saw a window cleaner on a pushbike with his ladders horizontally on his shoulder and his bucket hanging off the handlebars ?
I used to see them all the time but i haven't seen one now for a few years .
I used to see them all the time but i haven't seen one now for a few years .
I ignore them as they do a good job in breaking their own limbs.
Klanky
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They were all probably on their way to their work as actors at the Ealing Studios...
So what if you're pished, asleep in your motorhome (wobblybox)???
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As I understand it - the Law says that if the keys are in your possession, then you are in charge of that vehicle, and must be sober.
Whether plod would go to the trouble of nicking you for the offence is another matter.
Be interesting if you were then asked to move on - ie, illegally parked!!
Mike
Whether plod would go to the trouble of nicking you for the offence is another matter.
Be interesting if you were then asked to move on - ie, illegally parked!!
Mike
chrisfreeth
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What's the difference between someone pushing a bike and someone pushing a wheelbarrow? Why would one be a cyclist in the eyes of the law but not the other?
If its a herd of bikealists like a cycle club then its only fair to mow em down as they dont follow the rules anyway. If its one of them bloody idiots that ride up the inside of trucks, jump red lights etc on the way to work mow em down. Bikealists with a brian riding correctly I always give plenty of room and time for
everywherevirtually
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The finer points of rules aside, anecdotally drivers in the UK and by extension bikers don't give a feck about pedestrians and my innate response is to expect 3 or 4 vehicles to pass even when I have clearly stepped onto the crossing.
In Austria they laugh at my cautiousness. Over there if a pedestrian so much as looks at a crossing or turns their body slightly they slam on the brakes in the off chance that they "might" cross.
You can get done over there for not stopping for a pedestrian, even if the pedestrian does not step on the crossing but snitches to the officer that you didn't have an intention of stopping. That said I think they do have some dubious rules. Like giving way to traffic emerging from small roads onto main roads and flashing amber traffic lights at night. 
Because they have so many lights, hazards in terms of street furniture, trams, raised sections of road for tram stops, etc etc it actually makes it more dangerous.
In Austria they laugh at my cautiousness. Over there if a pedestrian so much as looks at a crossing or turns their body slightly they slam on the brakes in the off chance that they "might" cross.
You can get done over there for not stopping for a pedestrian, even if the pedestrian does not step on the crossing but snitches to the officer that you didn't have an intention of stopping
. That said I think they do have some dubious rules. Like giving way to traffic emerging from small roads onto main roads and flashing amber traffic lights at night. Because they have so many lights, hazards in terms of street furniture, trams, raised sections of road for tram stops, etc etc it actually makes it more dangerous.
chrisfreeth
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The one pushing a wheelbarrow would obviously not be a cyclist - never heard of a wheelbarrowist
wheelbarrowist I never herd such rot. It's clearly a unicycle with optional enlarged storage rack and low slung rear mounted handlebars, therefore the person pushing it is clearly a cyclist.
rodders
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You need the keys to unlock the door so if you were drunk you would have to ask a sober person to open the door and take the keys back into the pub.
